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      07-22-2016, 09:58 AM   #331
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When I read this, combined with the fact he was shot in the leg, I was leaning toward accidental discharge, maybe even while in holster. No idea what caliber bullet was pulled from his leg.
We're all speculating but i think that, 1) it's a bullet fragment and 2) it was from an negligent discharge. (there are no accidental discharges...)

I'm not sure when this event happened, but the date of the article was this past Thursday and the victim was supposed to be home by Thursday. That to me indicates it was either a graze or fragment. But who knows?

If the LEO agency employee NFA regulated rifles, that could have been a single fire 3 round burst from and M16. Or it could be that one officer got too tight on this trigger finger firing negligently thus causing other officers to fire reactively.

Either way, if the guy on the ground didn't move and complied with all orders, anyone pulling the trigger should be prosecuted to the extent of the law.

Attempted murder it is not. And people need to realized that in negligent discharge situations where police were responding to a report of a man with a gun, they do get some special leeway when it comes to prosecution. They are after all charged with responding to deadly situations and their line of work, thanks to social media and ignorance, is currently very tense these days. Especially when responding to calls about someone with a gun.

They should not be excused by any means, but if you're going to require someone to face off crazy people who are reported as armed, i think you need to give them different treatment than someone who just rolls up to a street corner and opens fire on unsuspecting people.

That said, what ever the extent of the law is, they should be prosecuted fully if there was no cause for pulling the trigger.

And training is a large component. Not that they happen all that often but there needs to be more funds allocated to local police agencies for training. I think they should be trained in 12 man groups and 4 of those men should be on duty at all times so they can respond to these types of tense situations. With 4 equally trained men who trust each other at the same scene, things like this are less likely to happen.
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      07-22-2016, 11:05 AM   #332
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http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/bul...QMF?li=BBnb7Kz

Not sure why they would come out with this. It makes it even worse...

At least it was a hispanic officer and not a white officer so maybe that will calm some of the fires.

Guy should be prosecuted though. Shot at an unarmed man, hit someone else.
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      07-22-2016, 11:18 AM   #333
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Not sure why they would come out with this. It makes it even worse...

At least it was a hispanic officer and not a white officer so maybe that will calm some of the fires.

Guy should be prosecuted though. Shot at an unarmed man, hit someone else.
Yeah getting worse. 1st off toy truck really looks like a gun? No one has binoculars assuming all the cops on site have poor vision. 2nd--swat officer is that bad of shot, unable to hit non-moving target from over 50 ft? Third..If his intention was to shoot the kid, why did he stop shooting? Things just don't add up.
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Saw this article on Philando Castile as well. not that it makes it justified, but 82 citations? Sure 47 were eventually dismissed, but that means 35 were justifiable citations. And just because you get a ticket tossed out in court or you plea down, doesnt necessarily mean it wasnt real. WTF was he doing while he was driving?

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Another point I just thought of: if the officer thought the Autistic guy was a threat and the target, why did they handcuff the bleeding, assumed "victim?" Think about that. Trying to protect a guy. Accidentally shoot him but don't shoot the "bad guy." then handcuff the guy you shot and were protecting. WTF?
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Doesn't accidental discharge exist in the form of mechanical failure or a weapon. I guess technically neglecting your weapon to the point of a failure is negligence as well?
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Another point I just thought of: if the officer thought the Autistic guy was a threat and the target, why did they handcuff the bleeding, assumed "victim?" Think about that. Trying to protect a guy. Accidentally shoot him but don't shoot the "bad guy." then handcuff the guy you shot and were protecting. WTF?
They tend to hand cuff everyone at a scene like that. Even the people who were shot. Pretty standard procedure for most LEO departments.


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Doesn't accidental discharge exist in the form of mechanical failure or a weapon. I guess technically neglecting your weapon to the point of a failure is negligence as well?
There are accidental discharges in the form of a double pop because someone did piss poor trigger modifications. But LEO agency weapons, especially SWAT rifles are put through their paces regularly.

Outside of those very rare situations, it's always negligent discharge.
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I wasn't referring to just this incident thought you meant AD didn't exist.
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I wasn't referring to just this incident thought you meant AD didn't exist.
I see it as more of a mindset that people who are into safe firearms handling have adopted. Firearms are powerful tools, there isn't room for accidents. In pretty much every "AD" situation, you can point to where someone was negligent in their handling of that weapon.
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I heard from a friend that accidental discharge happens frequently to some guys. Usually from handling their weapon too frequently, or not letting someone else handle it often enough.
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