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      05-18-2016, 01:13 PM   #265
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So why if you have free speech, do you have moderators on the American forum?

Surely a moderator is publicly violating your right to the 1st amendment?
The 1st Amendment only protects an individual's right to free speech against the federal goverment. It offers zero protection for speech conducted in a private forum.

The US government doesn't run the forum, a private entity does. Their house, their rules.
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Okay follow you, so it's only free speech in regards to the Governement, you are as equally fucked as the rest of us in other areas.
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Okay follow you, so it's only free speech in regards to the Governement, you are as equally fucked as the rest of us in other areas.
The moderators can't put you in jail or fine you; the government can
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This is exactly why we have the 1st Amendment, respect and free speech have never gone hand-in-hand.

However, I don't think the NYC employer mandate violates the 1st. It's a regulation on the interactions between an employer and employee, it's not applicable to private individuals.
Yup. As individuals if you identify as a walrus I have the right to tell you you're a fucking idiot and to get help. Whereas, if I were interviewing you for a job and you told me you identified as walrus that's murder as I'm sure I'd die of laughter.
It's not just employment in the NYC law - it's also tenants, customers, and "participants in programs" (not sure what that defines?). So let's say your tenant decides to identify that day with an animal species, you have to know that and address them as "otherkin" or risk being fined. Same for members of your book club, apparently.
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Uh....except for that whole "free speech" thing that we have over here. Fining someone for what amounts to an insult is a law that will likely not be long for this country.
I guess respect and free speech do not go hand in hand over there.

That is one thing that is becoming noticeable in news reports / press etc, there seems to be a lack of respect at all levels and all areas of society in the states.

Something you don't really see in other western countries.

So I assume it's okay to insult anyone their and not expect any fine?

We tend to not allow racial stuff, homophobic or calling someone a Cnut etc.

Obviously that is fair game in the states
Not that different in the UK: Seems the Brits don't hesitate to disrespect people they don't agree with:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...-donald-trump/

http://www.telesurtv.net/english/ana...0118-0026.html
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It's not just employment in the NYC law - it's also tenants, customers, and "participants in programs" (not sure what that defines?). So let's say your tenant decides to identify that day with an animal species, you have to know that and address them as "otherkin" or risk being fined. Same for members of your book club, apparently.
On second thought, let's not go to NYC, 'tis a silly place.
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Not that different in the UK: Seems the Brits don't hesitate to disrespect people they don't agree with:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...-donald-trump/

http://www.telesurtv.net/english/ana...0118-0026.html
True, I guess some people just call a turd a turd.
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Not that different in the UK: Seems the Brits don't hesitate to disrespect people they don't agree with:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...-donald-trump/

http://www.telesurtv.net/english/ana...0118-0026.html
True, I guess some people just call a turd a turd.
Unless you're part of the Brutal Castro regime - then they welcome you and throw a party:

http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/9508...mberto-fontova
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Unless you're part of the Brutal Castro regime - then they welcome you and throw a party:

http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/9508...mberto-fontova
Wow I never knew they printed freaky shit like that website.

Do they deliberately recruit mental journalists?

Must be a routine read for weirdos in to bizarre politics.
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Okay follow you, so it's only free speech in regards to the Governement, you are as equally fucked as the rest of us in other areas.
I'm not sure I follow what you mean.

More or less, I can say whatever I want to whomever I want (yes, I know there are some restrictions re: inciting panic, threats, etc) and the government can do fuck all about it, it's not necessarily only protecting speech that is about the government.
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So why if you have free speech, do you have moderators on the American forum?

Surely a moderator is publicly violating your right to the 1st amendment?
Because it only protects you from being punished by the government.

I can't accuse my job if they fire me if I got up in front of an important business meeting and start saying obscenities and offensive racial slurs for no reason.
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Unless you're part of the Brutal Castro regime - then they welcome you and throw a party:

http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/9508...mberto-fontova
Wow I never knew they printed freaky shit like that website.

Do they deliberately recruit mental journalists?

Must be a routine read for weirdos in to bizarre politics.
It's really popular - lots of Internet readers come from countries with repressive governments. Like North Korea and China. And Britain. Some Canadians.
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Because it only protects you from being punished by the government.

I can't accuse my job if they fire me if I got up in front of an important business meeting and start saying obscenities and offensive racial slurs for no reason.
So if you work for the Governement, you can say what you like as the government is your employer?
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So if you work for the Governement, you can say what you like as the government is your employer?
Ha, I suppose I should've said prosecuted.
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Free speech does not cover just comments made against the government, however, while you are free to say whatever you like you are NOT free from the consequences of your speech. Examples are easy to find: it is illegal to yell "FIRE" in a movie theater, also there are libel and slander laws to protect the victims of your speech when you make false statements.
What we have seen in the news quite often the last 8 years was military personnel saying things against the president and, of course, their supporters are shocked when they get in trouble. Thing is, military personnel do not enjoy the same constitutional rights as the regular populace (this was also intentional by our founding fathers). We cannot speak out against the president, or congress, or even our superiors. It's in the oath we take when we enlist.

Can you speak out against the government without recrimination? Yes, to an extent. Go ahead, make open threats to the president, a member of congress, or a SCOTUS justice - expect to hear from the Secret Service. Free speech and freedom of the press were intentional and meant to keep us from becoming a banana republic.
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It's really popular - lots of Internet readers come from countries with repressive governments. Like North Korea and China. And Britain. Some Canadians.
Are you saying the Canada and the UK have repressive governments? Give your head a shake. For a while I thought you were just being a troll, now I'm getting a much clearer picture ...
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Are you saying the Canada and the UK have repressive governments? Give your head a shake. For a while I thought you were just being a troll, now I'm getting a much clearer picture ...
Yes, just like the violently oppressive regimes in Denmark, Norway, Sweden, right ?
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It's really popular - lots of Internet readers come from countries with repressive governments. Like North Korea and China. And Britain. Some Canadians.
Are you saying the Canada and the UK have repressive governments? Give your head a shake. For a while I thought you were just being a troll, now I'm getting a much clearer picture ...
Geez people - lighten up. Read the post I was replying to....

Although I do think the UK and Canada's censorship laws are ridiculous and ill-used.

While I don't agree with my liberal friends politics, many of them are at least witty. Maybe something gets lost in translation on this board.
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Are you saying the Canada and the UK have repressive governments? Give your head a shake. For a while I thought you were just being a troll, now I'm getting a much clearer picture ...
Yes, just like the violently oppressive regimes in Denmark, Norway, Sweden, right ?
Exactly. Don't trust those fair-haired Devils.
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Looks like Bill Clinton doesn't think Poland and Hungary are democracies:

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016...opean-leaders/
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