[Tjalle]

Yes, especially as "The manufacturer of Worlds Fastest Tractor" - Volvo - has 320 bhp.

[ttimbo]

Originally Posted by nozydog

I assume BMW should not appear in the above list, as it seems to make the above comment contradictory! (Sorry I’m nitpicking again)

Must admit I’m surprised we’ve not yet seen 300hp from a BMW 2ltr engine!

Yes, I meant VW...and Volvo, of course!

[mr_lab_rat]

Hmm, so that's a no for me (the design reveal).

The concept looked cool but I don't like the final product - front triangles (doesn't flow with the rest), the painted trim on the MSport makes the proportions weird (too much metal, not enough glass). The MSportX solves that and the body coloured side skirts are about the only thing I like about the car.

[Tjalle]

I have been comparing pictures of X2 with F-Pace - both in blue. I don´t dare to compare with X1 on this site .

On a 10-grade scale:

X2 --- F-Pace
Front 9 --- 9
Rear 8 --- 9
Side 9 --- 10
Interior 8 --- 7

F-Pace is all-aluminium, chassis, body and engine with V-6, but is too big and - a little - too expensive

[ttimbo]

Originally Posted by Tjalle

I have been comparing pictures of X2 with F-Pace - both in blue. I don´t dare to compare with X1 on this site .

On a 10-grade scale:

X2 --- F-Pace
Front 9 --- 9
Rear 8 --- 9
Side 9 --- 10
Interior 8 --- 7

F-Pace is all-aluminium, chassis, body and engine with V-6, but is too big and - a little - too expensive

What about the Evoque?

[Tjalle]

Evoque does not do it for me - even if spectacular design - but getting "old". No real performance engines.

XC60 too heavy due to "over the top safety". E-Pace too clumpsy and no-way I am going to buy a MB.

I´ll be waiting for my X2 M35i, and if that does not surface, I will build my own X2 Performance, which is what I did on my X4 35i. I am OK with 300+bhp, so I just had to improve exhaust and springs.

[nozydog]

Originally Posted by Tjalle

I have been comparing pictures of X2 with F-Pace - both in blue. I don´t dare to compare with X1 on this site .

On a 10-grade scale:

X2 --- F-Pace
Front 9 --- 9
Rear 8 --- 9
Side 9 --- 10
Interior 8 --- 7

F-Pace is all-aluminium, chassis, body and engine with V-6, but is too big and - a little - too expensive

Personally I feel BMW have priced the X2 wrongly... it will apparently start at £34k... exactly the price point where F Pace starts. F Pace as you say is mostly aluminium (and apparently no heavier than the much smaller e Pace!!) F Pace is also based on RWD architecture and we already know it handles very well. The only thing that stopped me seriously considering it was the sheer size, although if the X2 is no lighter I may go back and look at F Pace as i think it’s more car for your money, unless you simply cannot handle the size!

e Pace starts at £28k which surely is where the X2 should start, being a similarly compact SUV

[Tjalle]

X2 is about 1600 kg - depending on equipment/engine - F Pace is about 1800 kg with V6, which is relatively light for size and V6.
V6 is not only engine - it is also upgraded chassis to take the added torque and speed.

F Pace needs V6 and is then much more expensive than X2.

If worst come to worst, I would consider a 4 cyl. 231bhp petrol on X2, but NOT a 250 bhp 4 pot petrol on F Pace.

[nozydog]

Originally Posted by Tjalle

X2 is about 1600 kg - depending on equipment/engine - F Pace is about 1800 kg with V6, which is relatively light for size and V6.
V6 is not only engine - it is also upgraded chassis to take the added torque and speed.

F Pace needs V6 and is then much more expensive than X2.

If worst come to worst, I would consider a 4 cyl. 231bhp petrol on X2, but NOT a 250 bhp 4 pot petrol on F Pace.

I wouldn't say 6 pot is a must in F Pace, you can have 250hp (0-60 in 6.4s) or 300hp (0-60 in 5.7s) from a 4 pot at £42k or £44.7k... I think X2 with petrols at this power level (not available at launch) will be similar price!!

I'd expect X2 to get the B48 (or an updated version) 4 pot currently offering 248hp. I imagine they are currently revising this engine for the new G20 330i so maybe that will find it's way into the X2 first, possibly with around 260hp?? That would suit me, but I'd still look at the F Pace 250hp depending on discounts... 0-60 time of 6.4s is respectable for quite a large SUV!!

I still think this X2 will be overpriced, but then big discounts are usually prevalent on BMW so a £40k car should be available for around £35k or less...

[Tjalle]

This is - for me - a mental thing: I can accept - if worst come to worst - a 250 bhp 4 pot in a car/architecture, which is designed for a 4 pot - I have been driving FWD SAAB:s for many years - but not a 4 pot in a car, which have been engineered for a V6.

This is crying out loud:" You wanted a big crossover, but did not have the money to buy a decent version"!

[nozydog]

Originally Posted by Tjalle

This is - for me - a mental thing: I can accept - if worst come to worst - a 250 bhp 4 pot in a car/architecture, which is designed for a 4 pot - I have been driving FWD SAAB:s for many years - but not a 4 pot in a car, which have been engineered for a V6.

This is crying out loud:" You wanted a big crossover, but did not have the money to buy a decent version"!

That’s like saying an F30 is engineered for a 2 litre diesel (90% of 3 series’ are sold with this engine) so it’s a waste of money getting a 340i 6 pot. These cars are all engineered slightly differently to take the differing engines! Do people seriously buy a large crossover because they want a mega high powered speed machine? The f type is engineered for the V6 so I’d maybe agree that buying the new 4 pot f type was a waste of time as that car is a thoroughbred sports machine... but if i really liked the f Pace I’d have no problem with 250-300 horses under the bonnet as it’s not exactly a racing car is it!?

[ttimbo]

^^^That is really the nub of the issue, for me. IMO, a "hot" CUV is an oxymoron ? it answers a question, which it makes little logical sense to ask; if acceleration/speed/handling are one's priority criteria, then a hatch/sedan...anything with a lower COG than a CUV will be better...and by a long margin.

[The Beast]

Originally Posted by nozydog

That’s like saying an F30 is engineered for a 2 litre diesel (90% of 3 series’ are sold with this engine) so it’s a waste of money getting a 340i 6 pot. These cars are all engineered slightly differently to take the differing engines! Do people seriously buy a large crossover because they want a mega high powered speed machine? The f type is engineered for the V6 so I’d maybe agree that buying the new 4 pot f type was a waste of time as that car is a thoroughbred sports machine... but if i really liked the f Pace I’d have no problem with 250-300 horses under the bonnet as it’s not exactly a racing car is it!?

Totally agree, it’s just a my di*k is bigger than yours scenario imo. I like high powered cars, but in an suv I think you just need enough so that it’s no slouch...

[nozydog]

Originally Posted by ttimbo

^^^That is really the nub of the issue, for me. IMO, a "hot" CUV is an oxymoron ? it answers a question, which it makes little logical sense to ask; if acceleration/speed/handling are one's priority criteria, then a hatch/sedan...anything with a lower COG than a CUV will be better...and by a long margin.

Exactly! I’ve been tempted to buy an SUV many a time, but it always comes down to me asking myself... why? Do I like strong acceleration... yes, do I like flat cornering and great body control... oh yes, so I’ve never yet succumbed to the great SUV swindle

[Tjalle]

Everybody is entitled to his opinion.

X2 with a 250/300bhp 4 pot is, to my mind, a "balanced" vehicle.

F Pace with a 250/300 bhp 4 pot is "under motorized" compared to size, weight and ability.

I rarely use all my 306+ bhp (M Performance exhaust) in my X4 35i - but I have them - if and when I want to use them. Handling is all what I need on the road. 20".

[mr_lab_rat]

Originally Posted by Tjalle

Sorry , no offense intended. I just get worked up, when people does not see!

X1 is - sorry - very much, a box.

X2 is, very much, a shooting brake, with most attributes generally associated to that type of vehicle - except for the shotguns.

I would like to revisit the little shootout we had when I called the X2 too similar to an X1. Don't get me wrong, they are both really sexy vehicles but in my eyes just too similar to justify the need for both.

[Sanctuary]

Tjalle hello. You might be interested in this
http://www.bmwblog.com/2017/11/16/bm...future-models/

[Tjalle]

Sanctuary - thanks, this made my day.

lab_rat: in M cladding/painting, the difference is more obvious - in your pictures, forms - both on X1 and X2 - are distorted by black areas.

My dealer tells me he will have first X2 in the spring.

But - again - beauty is in the eyes of the beholder.

I still have worries about downgrading to 4 pot and Aisin - and will cry, when I have to leave my 20" 310M wheels.

[Tjalle]

I forgot: "my" PA had been to a salesconference at BMW Sweden headquarter in Stockholm, where they also diplayed an X2, which he claimed "was much better looking in real life, than on pictures" - and yes, I know - never take the words of a car salesman, but he knows, I will make my own judgement, and now expectations have been raised.

[Sanctuary]

Originally Posted by Tjalle

Sanctuary - thanks, this made my day.

You are welcome.

[Tjalle]

Review of X2 with M package on: YouTube CarsFX

Edit: there are more comprisons incl. X1/ X2/ X3.

[mr_lab_rat]

Originally Posted by Tjalle

I still have worries about downgrading to 4 pot and Aisin

It's been surprisingly easy for me to get used to. I'm a torque junkie, manual transmissions for life kind a guy. My old car is a twinscrew supercharged e46 with M54B30 (3L six cylinder at 8.5PSI putting out nearly 400hp) with a 6 speed manual. I love everything about that car.

The X1 is mainly for the wife to drive but it surprised me how quickly I became a fan of that car. The torque of the twin turbo 2L impressed me and the smoothness of the 8 speed did too. With the low end torque and minimal lag I really don't mind the automatic.

The sound with the exhaust flap opened is quite good too.