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      06-01-2019, 03:00 PM   #89
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Anyone know if the Convenience or Premium Packages can be ordered with the Moonroof Delete option? I want all of the options included in the Premium, but I do not want the moonroof.
I can't think of any reason they would change that option. That is what I had ordered as a 2019 but they bumped me to a 2020 after the recall for the B pillar. I was told I will get the same configuration.
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      06-02-2019, 07:38 AM   #90
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The car literally has the Cooper driving dynamics. Plus it's underpowered. But I will say this, the X2, although it's basically the same car, drives completely different and actually feels like a bmw. And that's because Bmw actually tweaked the X2 to feel like that.
And this is exactly why BMW needs to release a X1 M35i...

And I admit I like the X1's look much more so than the X2. It looks like a compact X5 and I need the head space in the back for the kids.
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The X2 is almost 10 centimeters lower the X1... Of course it will be sportier to drive. If BMW release an X1 M35i, I don't suppose anyone will buy that ugly X2.
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I notice from the BMW UK Configurator that, for the 'new' 2019 X1, the sliding rear bench seat has become a 350 option, certainly on versions up to and including the xLine, but I didn't look at the M Sport config. So that, to me, is an unfortunate price hike if/when I decide to update my car. As a golfer (of sorts - mostly out of sorts!) the sliding bench is invaluable when trying to get golf bag, electric trolley and personal kit into the luggage compartment. It's one of those seemingly minor things that just makes you think at decision time for a new car.
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      06-03-2019, 03:35 PM   #93
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I notice from the BMW UK Configurator that, for the 'new' 2019 X1, the sliding rear bench seat has become a 350 option, certainly on versions up to and including the xLine, but I didn't look at the M Sport config. So that, to me, is an unfortunate price hike if/when I decide to update my car. As a golfer (of sorts - mostly out of sorts!) the sliding bench is invaluable when trying to get golf bag, electric trolley and personal kit into the luggage compartment. It's one of those seemingly minor things that just makes you think at decision time for a new car.
Its an extra on the M Sport. Its one option I didnt include and was among the cant have everything option. On the bright side the weight saving might help mph and mpg.
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Don't forget that X1/X2s are built on a transverse-engine platform, which cannot fit a 6-cylinder engine. So a X1 M35i makes no sense. As an X2 M35i doesn't, but I guess there are people buying it.
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      06-04-2019, 01:29 PM   #95
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Don't forget that X1/X2s are built on a transverse-engine platform, which cannot fit a 6-cylinder engine. So a X1 M35i makes no sense. As an X2 M35i doesn't, but I guess there are people buying it.
Your post makes no sense but I guess you are buying it.
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600?!? I've not followed this platform. If not a typo thats.....gotta be a typo.
G-Power can boost the engine to 275 hp (202 kW) with max torque at approx 600 Nm. I'd be careful pushing the engine too hard with that chiptune but it can be done!
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Don't forget that X1/X2s are built on a transverse-engine platform, which cannot fit a 6-cylinder engine. So a X1 M35i makes no sense. As an X2 M35i doesn't, but I guess there are people buying it.
Good grief!
The X2 M35i is based on the new 225Kw version of the B48 engine. Some years ago, BMW made it clear that its post-nominals, such as 30i, 35i, 40i etc were no longer indicative as to a particular engine type (3, 4, 6, 8, 10, 12...cyls)
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I personally wish they would've given it the semi digital dash found in other models. The current gauges are too outdated.
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Your post makes no sense but I guess you are buying it.
Yep and yours is very senseful, we're lucky you made the effort to write it.
For me it makes no sense to buy the more expensive, FWD-based, 4 cyl X2, when you can (still) get the m140i. If it does to you, than cool, I guess you are the target audience.

Edit: I am sorry, I forgot they don't sell 1-series in the US.
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600?!? I've not followed this platform. If not a typo thats.....gotta be a typo.
G-Power can boost the engine to 275 hp (202 kW) with max torque at approx 600 Nm. I'd be careful pushing the engine too hard with that chiptune but it can be done!
Ah, 600nm not 600ft/lbs! Still, pretty amazing gains.
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      06-25-2019, 12:53 PM   #102
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Any further word on the availability of the PHEV version? An earlier UK post said word was 3/2020. I ask because all of the US-built PHEV's (X3, X5) seem to be delayed until MY 2021 (9/2020). I wonder if the EU-produced X1 PHEV will be different? Since this is based on the mini platform and the electric mini is coming soon, will this have an effect?
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      06-25-2019, 02:44 PM   #103
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Any further word on the availability of the PHEV version? An earlier UK post said word was 3/2020. I ask because all of the US-built PHEV's (X3, X5) seem to be delayed until MY 2021 (9/2020). I wonder if the EU-produced X1 PHEV will be different? Since this is based on the mini platform and the electric mini is coming soon, will this have an effect?
There is already a Mini Countryman PHEV which has been around for about 2 years over here in the UK, and that has the same underpinnings as the F48 X1, so you'd hope it shouldn't be a great leap to bring out the X1 PHEV which was last mentioned for March 2020. I don't know if the Countryman PHEV is available in the US?
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      06-26-2019, 09:56 AM   #104
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There is already a Mini Countryman PHEV which has been around for about 2 years over here in the UK, and that has the same underpinnings as the F48 X1, so you'd hope it shouldn't be a great leap to bring out the X1 PHEV which was last mentioned for March 2020. I don't know if the Countryman PHEV is available in the US?
good point about the mini Countryman PHEV. I believe it is available in the US, but restricted to the States using the California emissions standards. I know I haven't seen one in Texas or if it uses the 9+ KW-H battery reported for the X1 LCI.

Another point: I saw some reporting that the X1 PHEV would use a rear-mounted electric motor, rather than integrated into the FWD drivetrain. Doesn't make any sense to me from a financial standpoint, but it would be really attractive if so as it would be RWD a la i3 when in battery mode. The point in favor of doing this is to get AWD without the complication of a rear driveshaft and diff. It would also free up the transmission tunnel for battery space as in the mini. I can see where that would be important in the mini, because of limited space; but in an X1, there are lots of other places to put the battery. Also, there is late reporting that the US version would use the 4 cyl engine; rather than the 3-cyl i8 package. None of this makes financial sense, to me, except that apparently the i8 will get a 4 cyl engine soon. Wouldn't that be a hoot: an i8 front engine and an i3 rear motor. Would make the X1 PHEV a Unicorn! Can anyone shed light on this?

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      06-26-2019, 11:11 AM   #105
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I had a 3 day test drive in a Mini Countryman PHEV a few weeks ago now, and I have to say I was impressed by the combined power output of over 220 hp (noticeably more than the 192hp in my 20i petrol/gas X1!) when you put your foot down and both the 3-cyl turbo petrol engine and the electric motor kick in. The Mini Countryman has that same setup you mention; the petrol engine drives the front axle and the electric motor drives the rear wheels. So it's marketed as a 4-wheel drive car, as well as a plugin hybrid. The motor and batteries are all under the boot/trunk floor and the rear seats. The rear seats are a little higher as a result but there was still good headroom in the back. The switch between battery and petrol/gas engine was seamless, and at slightly higher speeds when road noise picked up you couldn't tell which power source was in play.

If this same setup makes it to the X1 PHEV, potentially with a higher capacity battery that is already scheduled for the Mini Countryman in the next couple of months (9.7kWh), then I'd be interested, as long as the price differential doesn't negate the potential fuel savings. I did a write-up of my test drive here if you're interested.
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The Mini Countryman SE is available everywhere in the US. Just go to the Mini USA website or NAM (North American Motoring) which is like Bimmer post for Mini owners, plenty of actual owner experiences on it in the US.
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The Mini Countryman SE is available everywhere in the US. Just go to the Mini USA website or NAM (North American Motoring) which is like Bimmer post for Mini owners, plenty of actual owner experiences on it in the US.
Thanks for that. I'll try to find one at a Houston dealer for test. Rented a conventional Countryman in Italy for 2 weeks last summer and it was good for that Country's roads, but I'd prefer the higher X1 in the US.
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Whilst I have no plans at the moment to change my X1 Xline 2 litre petrol, I would be concerned if a replacement lost some of the goodies that were standard when I bought it New in late December 2017.
I also wonder wonder how good is the combination of electric rear drive with conventional front drive in the snow - and not just the inch of snow that falls sometimes here in the UK. My X drive is brilliant and I would not accept that performs less well.
All these issues might make me look at other makes.
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Whilst I have no plans at the moment to change my X1 Xline 2 litre petrol, I would be concerned if a replacement lost some of the goodies that were standard when I bought it New in late December 2017.
I also wonder wonder how good is the combination of electric rear drive with conventional front drive in the snow - and not just the inch of snow that falls sometimes here in the UK. My X drive is brilliant and I would not accept that performs less well.
All these issues might make me look at other makes.
Why would it make the xdrive worse? If anything, having independent front and rare axles should make the AWD even better.
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Jorix, i’m no engineer, but I do know the x drive is a mechanism that checks the traction every 10th of a second on the rear wheels. If in that time it senses traction loss, drive to the rear wheels is engaged.
And if driving a good distance on snow, the car will stay in 4 wheel drive. I recall one trip to the Alps with serious snow on the roads (lorries ordered off main roads) most of the way from about Reims onwards.
In the case of the new hybrid I understand the electric side has to be charged. How long will the electric rear wheels stay giving the same effect as x drive on a long run with snow? Charging after 30 miles or so may not be possible or convenient.
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