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      11-05-2018, 02:59 PM   #45
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Overrated. :
It's overrated by around 500,000 buyers a year - you're right, that's seriously overrated! And next year, it looks like the market is going to overrate the living piss out of it, so BMW can continue to afford building low-margin sports cars for the purist (whiner) brigade

Also the Mini platform has Fxx numbers, just like BMW. Let the hate flow forth, people, like a particularly chronic rectal bleed
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      11-06-2018, 02:21 PM   #46
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No, the 2 Series (F22/F23) is not an UKL platform, is a RWD platform.

X2 is based on a UKL (FWD) platform which is totally different.
He might of been thinking of the F45 2 series Active Tourer and F46 Gran Tourer that are on the UKL plateform.
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      11-09-2018, 11:40 PM   #47
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What is a "troo" xDrive? xDrive isn't a mechanical solution, it's a marketing name for "four-wheel drive".
Wrong,


X1 / X2 is an "on-demand" AWD / FWD system
xDrive is a rear 40:60 (to start with) system (Front/Rear)

The FWD one powers the front wheels and let the rears trail.

The x-Drive
-> if all wheels are driving there is less chance of slip in the first place (rear always works)
-> is an enthusiast system since results in a sharper handling of a rear-drive biased car
-> the centre clutch that distributes torque front:rear is always working
-> can send 100% of the torque to either the front or the rear axles


The FWD Haldex does nothing of such sort
Front wheels receive 100% of the torque when the xDrive clutch is open, giving it a front bias instead of the usual xDrive rear bias.
No please go to RWD vs FWD debate for enthusiast driving and driving dynamics.

And one major correction: BMW is not 4WD

AWD is not the same with 4WD (four wheel drive)
AWD is a self independent system that relies on all kind of electronics and on-board nanny systems to adapt your vehicle to the slippery road consitions.
4WD is a 4X4 system that has a second stick (or electronic switch) that allows (at driver's will) the transfer case to divide the power between the front and rear axles and each wheel will spin at the same constant rate as all the others. Is an off road system.


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What is a "troo" xDrive? xDrive isn't a mechanical solution, it's a marketing name for "[COLOR="Red"]four-wheel drive[/COLOR]".
Wrong,


X1 / X2 is an "on-demand" AWD / FWD system
xDrive is a rear 40:60 (to start with) system (Front/Rear)

The FWD one powers the front wheels and let the rears trail.

The x-Drive
-> if all wheels are driving there is less chance of slip in the first place (rear always works)
-> is an enthusiast system since results in a sharper handling of a rear-drive biased car
-> the centre clutch that distributes torque front:rear is always working
-> can send 100% of the torque to either the front or the rear axles


The FWD Haldex does nothing of such sort
Front wheels receive 100% of the torque when the xDrive clutch is open, giving it a front bias instead of the usual xDrive rear bias.
No please go to RWD vs FWD debate for enthusiast driving and driving dynamics.

And one major correction: BMW is not 4WD

AWD is not the same with 4WD (four wheel drive)
AWD is a self independent system that relies on all kind of electronics and on-board nanny systems to adapt your vehicle to the slippery road consitions.
4WD is a 4X4 system that has a second stick (or electronic switch) that allows (at driver's will) the transfer case to divide the power between the front and rear axles and each wheel will spin at the same constant rate as all the others. Is an off road system.

While everything you said about how the systems differ is true, your correction of the other (right) member is not.

https://www.bmw.co.uk/discover-bmw/technology/xdrive

What is BMW xDrive?

4WD, all-wheel drive and 4x4 are all terms that are used interchangeably, but all equate to the same thing. BMW xDrive is powered by an extra layer of intelligence, making it one of the most technically advanced all-wheel drive systems in the segment.

Both of you are right, but you shouldn't say someone is wrong without learning it first.
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While everything you said about how the systems differ is true, your correction of the other (right) member is not.

https://www.bmw.co.uk/discover-bmw/technology/xdrive

What is BMW xDrive?

4WD, all-wheel drive and 4x4 are all terms that are used interchangeably, but all equate to the same thing. BMW xDrive is powered by an extra layer of intelligence, making it one of the most technically advanced all-wheel drive systems in the segment.

Both of you are right, but you shouldn't say someone is wrong without learning it first.
The article is wrong. Anyway, not first time when i see it.
Or, is a made up text to appeal to some customers, but is missleading and incorrect.

They are not.

Please you go and learn first.
Bmw doesnt have a second shifter, and it doesnt have any switch that will allow the driver to lock manually the differential.


Awd is very different than 4wd.. please read my very small summary.
Awd does not have a second shifter, doesn not have wheel locking dif, etc.
Awd is a generic system, electronicaly controlled that helps a noboy keeping the vehicle on the road under different scenarios.
4WD is a totally different animal.

Too many people mix these terms. For a chef might sound the same. For an enthusiast in a forum, these two should not be mixed.

I dont have them handy to show you two different windows stickers from two different Fird vehicles for example, one AWD and onw 4WD. First one had an automatic transmission with an o-deman, while de second one (4WD) had two shifters and locking differential that forces both wheels to turn and spin in aunison regardless of loss of traction.
And then we can go further with automatic or selectable lockers, etc.
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While everything you said about how the systems differ is true, your correction of the other (right) member is not.

https://www.bmw.co.uk/discover-bmw/technology/xdrive

What is BMW xDrive?

4WD, all-wheel drive and 4x4 are all terms that are used interchangeably, but all equate to the same thing. BMW xDrive is powered by an extra layer of intelligence, making it one of the most technically advanced all-wheel drive systems in the segment.

Both of you are right, but you shouldn't say someone is wrong without learning it first.
Did not read your article. Maybe is one of those that claim that awd and 4wd (4x4) are the same.

They are not.

Please you go and learn first.

Awd is very different than 4wd.. please read my very small summary.
Awd does not have a second shifter, doesn not have wheel locking dif, etc.
Awd is a generic system, electronicaly controlled that helps a noboy keeping the vehicle on the road under different scenarios.
4WD is a totally different animal.

Too many people mix these terms. For a chef might sound the same. For an enthusiast in a forum, these two should not be mixed.

I dont have them handy to show you two different windows stickers from two different Fird vehicles for example, one AWD and onw 4WD. First one had an automatic transmission with an o-deman, while de second one (4WD) had two shifters and locking differential that forces both wheels to turn and spin in aunison regardless of loss of traction.
And then we can go further with automatic or selectable lockers, etc.
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I guess that I am the one that should laugh at you. Pretty sad I will say.
Keep in mind: driving a vehicle on a 4x4 dry pavement is not even recommended as you will damage the vehicle.
Have you seen 2H / 4H in a BMW?
Yeah, they built one on WWII, I dont have the picture handy.

That article is wrong and I am sure that the article is not signed by BMW because BMW must know these things. Most likely is a dealership own input in its page.

Please go and do some reading.
Or, do not pretend that you know. Just less things to damage your reputation.

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There you go: proof that dealer page content is something individually posted.

At least these guys are better than the UK guys.
BMW should seriously look into this as it is incorrect and missleading.

https://www.bmwpeabody.com/all-wheel...heel-drive.htm

https://www.bmwofelcajon.com/awd-vs-fwd

Pretty bad to be a guy that believes every little article, instead of reading properly about it.

People embraced the capabilities and the marketing took care in describing the abilities of a such system. Due to peoples perception that is a very capable system, companies start to use the word just to make people feel good. Exactly like the dealership text you pointed at.

Sure, we can go further with part time, full time, automatic and so on... but again they are not the same.

Now, we can go further: keep in mind that even though 4WD and 4x4 are commonly used to indicate the same thing, a 4WD is not necessarily a 4x4. Because a 3 axle truck with six wheels can be a 4WD as well (both rear axles are powered) - which is in fact a 6x4 (six by for - six wheel vehicle powered by four wheels).
Please read about 6x6, or 8x8 military vehicles.
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