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      07-02-2017, 01:02 PM   #89
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You have it all wrong

Hillary made up the 17 agency thing.

And your DNI link is to the main page of DNI and is effectively worthless as a reference
So the link to US government's DNI website confirming that US Intelligence Community consists of exactly 17 agencies is invalid ?

Therefore if the government itself is "fake news", what should I link to then ?

Is Infowars a more knowledgeable source how many agencies are really within DNI ? Or maybe an expert on Mars child rape camps that Inforwars recently hosted will offer an even more profound insight on the matter ?

None of the Clapper testimony disproves in any way what Hillary said: only 3 agencies led an investigative effort into the Russian interference but the entire Intelligence Community affirmed those 3 agencies's conclusions.
The answer is 4.
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ahhhh... the only show on CNN worth watching...Anthony Bourdain.

Season finale on now!!!
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ahhhh... the only show on CNN worth watching...Anthony Bourdain.

Season finale on now!!!
I hate Anthony. Watching his show always makes me hungry. Last weekend he was in Hanoi. I only caught a glimpse before we headed out for some Pho
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So the link to US government's DNI website confirming that US Intelligence Community consists of exactly 17 agencies is invalid ?

Therefore if the government itself is "fake news", what should I link to then ?

Is Infowars a more knowledgeable source how many agencies are really within DNI ? Or maybe an expert on Mars child rape camps that Inforwars recently hosted will offer an even more profound insight on the matter ?

None of the Clapper testimony disproves in any way what Hillary said: only 3 agencies led an investigative effort into the Russian interference but the entire Intelligence Community affirmed those 3 agencies's conclusions.
Your assertions are false and even Clapper's own testimony in the link I previously provided disproves your assertion.

3 agencies performed the investigation.....period....end of story

Clinton fabricated the claim that 17 agencies had all investigated/come to same conclusion

And if you knew anything about the different ROLES of the 17 you would understand this
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Clinton fabricated the claim that 17 agencies had all investigated/come to same conclusion
I have to give you props for tirelessly lying about this again and again, you and Trump are very much alike in this respect.

Clinton never said all 17 agencies investigated, here is her exact quote:

"We have 17 intelligence agencies, civilian and military, who have all concluded that these espionage attacks, these cyberattacks, come from the highest levels of the Kremlin, and they are designed to influence our election."

3 agencies investigates and the remaining agencies agreed with the results of those investigations. That's what Clapper said and that's also what Clinton said shortly after. Why do you put words in Clinton's mouth that she never uttered ? Your case against Clinton must be extremely weak if you must you stoop to such transparently false tactics.
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      07-03-2017, 02:06 PM   #94
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I have to give you props for tirelessly lying about this again and again, you and Trump are very much alike in this respect.

Clinton never said all 17 agencies investigated, here is her exact quote:

"We have 17 intelligence agencies, civilian and military, who have all concluded that these espionage attacks, these cyberattacks, come from the highest levels of the Kremlin, and they are designed to influence our election."
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An entity cannot "Conclude" without there having been an investigation/assessment

And when in US history has there been a similar sun/moon/stars convergence of disparate US intelligence agencies?

Furthermore how would Clinton be in the loop since she hadnt been in gov for an extended period of time....certainly since before the alleged 2016 election campaign efforts by the russians

Clapper ties up Clinton's lies in a nice little package by asserting that the investigation was conducted by THREE agencies not 17

Clinton's "17 Agencies" lie is just like her "Sniper Fire" lie......

Funny how obsessed you canadians are with american politics....if I were canadian I'd be a lot more concerned about the shit show that your snowboarder/substitute drama teacher in chief is creating
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This may not qualify as fake news, but certainly misleading and disingenuous:

http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/02/politi...gap/index.html

You would think based on this eye-catching headline that the WH is paying women less for doing the same job as a man. Gender pay-gap, uh oh! Upon further inspection, all CNN did was take the average salary for a female compared to the average salary for a male based on the recently released compensation report and came to the conclusion that the WH pays women less.

There is a single sentence hidden in the article, surrounded by other disingenuous non-sense, that states "the disparity is primarily due to women filling lower-ranking jobs". lol well duh, you mean to tell me that people with higher level jobs get paid more?!? So it really has nothing to do with gender!? Im shocked I tell ya.
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An entity cannot "Conclude" without there having been an investigation/assessment
Of course it can: an entity can "conclude" whether the evidence is persuasive or not without conducting an investigation itself. For example: US Department of State concluded that 9/11 was caused by terrorists but they didn't conduct an investigation themselves instead relying on evidence presented to them by various other agencies.

Similarly in this case the investigation into Russians was conducted by 3 agencies and the rest of them concluded.

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And when in US history has there been a similar sun/moon/stars convergence of disparate US intelligence agencies?
Ask Clapper about this not Clinton who merely paraphrased his statement from October 7. Why do you keep crucifying Clinton about this ? It was Clapper as head of DNI who announced that "the US Intelligence Community" (in other words: 17 agencies) are "confident" that Russians interfered.
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Of course it can: an entity can "conclude" whether the evidence is persuasive or not without conducting an investigation itself. For example: US Department of State concluded that 9/11 was caused by terrorists but they didn't conduct an investigation themselves instead relying on evidence presented to them by various other agencies.

Similarly in this case the investigation into Russians was conducted by 3 agencies and the rest of them concluded.
Your attempt to conflate US intelligence agencies and the dept of state demonstrate definitively you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about

I suspect you would argue about why a donut has a hole in it if there were a trump aspect to the subject


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Ask Clapper about this not Clinton who merely paraphrased his statement from October 7. Why do you keep crucifying Clinton about this ? It was Clapper as head of DNI who announced that "the US Intelligence Community" (in other words: 17 agencies) are "confident" that Russians interfered.
Clinton didnt paraphrase anyone

She pulled it out of her arse

Get your facts straight and take another stab at "Engrish"

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As you know, the I.C. was a coordinated product from three agencies; CIA, NSA, and the FBI not all 17 components of the intelligence community. Those three under the aegis of my former office. Following an extensive intelligence reporting about many Russian efforts to collect on and influence the outcome of the presidential election, President Obama asked us to do this in early December and have it completed before the end of his term.

The two dozen or so analysts for this task were hand-picked, seasoned experts from each of the contributing agencies. They were given complete, unfettered mutual access to all sensitive raw intelligence data, and importantly, complete independence to reach their findings. They found that the Russian government pursued a multifaceted influence campaign in the run-up to the
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.7dfb580c6e6b
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Your attempt to conflate US intelligence agencies and the dept of state demonstrate definitively you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about

I suspect you would argue about why a donut has a hole in it if there were a trump aspect to the subject

Clinton didnt paraphrase anyone

She pulled it out of her arse

Get your facts straight and take another stab at "Engrish"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.7dfb580c6e6b
My example using State Department is valid because it demonstrates how one government entity can "conclude" based on other entities' investigative work. As usual you resort to insults because you can't refute this real-life and highly applicable example.

And Clinton did indeed paraphrase DNI joint statement from October 7 which was:
"The U.S. Intelligence Community (USIC) is confident that the Russian Government directed the recent compromises of emails from U.S. persons and institutions, including from U.S. political organizations."

She said on October 17:
"We have 17 intelligence agencies, civilian and military, who have all concluded that these espionage attacks, these cyberattacks, come from the highest levels of the Kremlin, and they are designed to influence our election."

The 2 statements are practically interchangeable unless your "Engrish" is not up to par.

Clapper's statement that 3 agencies investigated and the rest of them agreed with the investigation's conclusion in no way disproves Clinton's point or DNI's initial statement from October 7.

Claiming otherwise is not only disingenuous but frankly preposterous and has been debunked by a rational and fact-based source: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...ikileaks-rele/
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My example using State Department is valid because it demonstrates how one government entity can "conclude" based on other entities' investigative work. As usual you resort to insults because you can't refute this real-life and highly applicable example.

And Clinton did indeed paraphrase DNI joint statement from October 7 which was:
"The U.S. Intelligence Community (USIC) is confident that the Russian Government directed the recent compromises of emails from U.S. persons and institutions, including from U.S. political organizations."

She said on October 17:
"We have 17 intelligence agencies, civilian and military, who have all concluded that these espionage attacks, these cyberattacks, come from the highest levels of the Kremlin, and they are designed to influence our election."

The 2 statements are practically interchangeable unless your "Engrish" is not up to par.

Clapper's statement that 3 agencies investigated and the rest of them agreed with the investigation's conclusion in no way disproves Clinton's point or DNI's initial statement from October 7.

Claiming otherwise is not only disingenuous but frankly preposterous and has been debunked by a rational and fact-based source: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...ikileaks-rele/
You're wasting your time. fsbm is a troll, nothing more. Every rational person knows you're right.
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You're wasting your time. fsbm is a troll, nothing more. Every rational person knows you're right.
But, but Hilary doesn't and she would've eaten babies and beaten up men outside a wrestling ring!
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But, but Hilary doesn't and she would've eaten babies and beaten up men outside a wrestling ring!
Don't forget about the orphan sex ring she was doing in a pizza parlor or whatever else fsbm probably believes.
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Don't forget about the orphan sex ring she was doing in a pizza parlor or whatever else fsbm probably believes.
It would've only been sadder if it had been a orphan puppy sex ring. Humans are less lovable than cute animals.
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Man why is there still any debate about CNN being fake or groomed news?
Remember according to CNNs own words, Americans are "stupider than sh*t"
Wanna remain stupid? Keep following CNN
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Man why is there still any debate about CNN being fake or groomed news?
Remember according to CNNs own words, Americans are "stupider than sh*t"
Wanna remain stupid? Keep following CNN
The last legit reporting CNN was couple years ago when airliner disappeared over Indian Ocean.....
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Man why is there still any debate about CNN being fake or groomed news?
Remember according to CNNs own words, Americans are "stupider than sh*t"
Wanna remain stupid? Keep following CNN
The last legit reporting CNN was couple years ago when airliner disappeared over Indian Ocean.....
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You're wasting your time. fsbm is a troll, nothing more. Every rational person knows you're right.
So people who work in the US intelligence community, or have worked in it, don't openly discuss the specifics as to their involvement. Mr. fsbm does indeed know what he is talking about and you and Mr. Wheelwright don't.

You Wheelwright need to move on from trying to defend the idea that ALL 17 US Intel Agencies concluded that the Russians were involved with trying to influence the election, because the Agencies didn't. Clinton, as usual was a lying sack of shit with her statement.
I don't know how these agencies work in detail, but it would seem that the NYT would not have needed to print a retraction/clarification, if there was no issue with the quote?
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My example using State Department is valid because it demonstrates how one government entity can "conclude" based on other entities' investigative work. As usual you resort to insults because you can't refute this real-life and highly applicable example.

And Clinton did indeed paraphrase DNI joint statement from October 7 which was:
"The U.S. Intelligence Community (USIC) is confident that the Russian Government directed the recent compromises of emails from U.S. persons and institutions, including from U.S. political organizations."

She said on October 17:
"We have 17 intelligence agencies, civilian and military, who have all concluded that these espionage attacks, these cyberattacks, come from the highest levels of the Kremlin, and they are designed to influence our election."

The 2 statements are practically interchangeable unless your "Engrish" is not up to par.

Clapper's statement that 3 agencies investigated and the rest of them agreed with the investigation's conclusion in no way disproves Clinton's point or DNI's initial statement from October 7.

Claiming otherwise is not only disingenuous but frankly preposterous and has been debunked by a rational and fact-based source: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...ikileaks-rele/
How bout we put this to bed permanently

You and Fräulein Clinton produce statements from each of the agencies in question?

Clappers statement that 3 and only 3 agencies performed the investigation totally debunks Clintons fabrication of all

Absent your ability to provide any meaningful proof how about we go with this

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On June 29 The New York Times issued a retraction to an article published on Monday, which originally stated that all 17 intelligence organizations had agreed that Russia orchestrated the hacking. The retraction reads, in part:

The assessment was made by four intelligence agencies — the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, the Central Intelligence Agency, the Federal Bureau of Investigation and the National Security Agency. The assessment was not approved by all 17 organizations in the American intelligence community.”

It should be noted that the four intelligence agencies are not retracting their statements about Russia involvement. But all 17 did not individually come to the assessment, despite what so many people insisted back in October.
http://heavy.com/news/2017/06/all-17...ew-york-times/

You can dodge and weave and make excuses for months and months and months but the fact of the matter is that you are and have been factually incorrect every step of the way on this matter
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Man why is there still any debate about CNN being fake or groomed news?
Remember according to CNNs own words, Americans are "stupider than sh*t"
Wanna remain stupid? Keep following CNN
There isnt any debate on the matter

But a lack of facts and a history of having been proven to be fact-less propaganda and slander wont prevent Lups and Bear frpm using CNN as their go to source for bullshit
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There isnt any debate on the matter

But a lack of facts and a history of having been proven to be fact-less propaganda and slander wont prevent Lups and Bear frpm using CNN as their go to source for bullshit
I honestly can't comment on CNN, since i tend to read my news. I'm pretty sure if i knew where my remote is, or how to put on our tv, i would have an access to it tho! Their web site i read at times.

But otherwise, spot on! Happy fourth
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"We have 17 intelligence agencies, civilian and military, who have all concluded that these espionage attacks, these cyberattacks, come from the highest levels of the Kremlin, and they are designed to influence our election."

3 agencies investigates and the remaining agencies agreed with the results of those investigations. That's what Clapper said and that's also what Clinton said shortly after. Why do you put words in Clinton's mouth that she never uttered ? Your case against Clinton must be extremely weak if you must you stoop to such transparently false tactics.
Just for emphasis

No.....there is no agreement

No.....there is no conclusion drawn by other agencies

No....there are no facts in Clinton's or your statements on the 17 agency lie.....its just another clinton lie like "Landing under sniper fire"

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The assessment was made by four intelligence agencies — the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, the Central Intelligence Agency, the Federal Bureau of Investigation and the National Security Agency. The assessment was not approved by all 17 organizations in the American intelligence community.”
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