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      01-14-2017, 01:09 PM   #1
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What oil is in motor from factory?

I noticed that the oil change kit that BMW offers includes 0W-20 oil, which sound surprisingly thin to me. Anyone know if that is the oil BMW fills the X1 with at the factory? I just bought a 2017 and want to keep a quart of oil in the trunk in case I ever need to add any. The dealership did not seem to know.
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      01-14-2017, 03:02 PM   #2
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Ask the service manager at you dealer what they fill the cars with for a oil service.
Should be either 0W-20 or 5W-30 in the USA.

USA is supposed to be moving from the 5W-30 to the 0W-20 for fuel consumption and emissions reasons, but im not sure how far they have gotten with the rollout.

0W-20 is only approved on the new engines (B48,B58) and only in certain worldwide markets.


The worldwide approved oil is the BMW 5W-30 one.
If the factory fill all engines with the same oil it would be this one (5W-30)
If they fill specific oil for the US it may be the 0W-20 one on newer cars. older F48 X1 would have been 5W-30.


For topup either should be fine.
These engines shouldn't really use any oil between services
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One would think this information would be easy to obtain. I never would have expected it to be this obscure.
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      01-15-2017, 12:52 AM   #4
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BMW went from Castrol to Shell in 2015.

As has been discussed in other thread, BMW would not risk new oil should damage old engines. My car was built with Castrol and dealer switched to Shell - without telling me - at service. "It is BMW oil".

BMW does not - readily - give away any service INFO, which pisses me off. Free service ends at 3 years and I have made my own serviceprogram after that. Service will be made by ex-BMW mechanic, who can switch off service indication.
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One would think this information would be easy to obtain. I never would have expected it to be this obscure.
The general info is easy to obtain.
You user manual shows all the oils that are approved.
You can topup with any of them

Its if you want to know the exact oil in the engine from the factory thats different.
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BMW does not - readily - give away any service INFO, which pisses me off. .
What dont they give out ?
All service info is available
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      01-15-2017, 07:05 AM   #7
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E90, in my world "readily" means that I have a servicebook, where I can see what has been done and what shall be done in the future.

I have had SAAB:s as long as I can remember, and they issued servicebooks. As you know SAAB is no more, but I still keep a 9000 Turbo.

I am - after two modifications - lowering and M Performance exhaust, happy with my X4 35i, but not with the attitude from BMW: "We will tell you what shall be done - and keep track on what is done". This is not consistent with the fact that my car is fully paid for and I can - and will do - whatever I feel necessary.

I am planning to buy a vehicle in the future with mechanical FWD and electric RWD. There are two future vehicles which I will monitor: X2 and new generation Volvo XC60.

Since I have a problem with both brands, I hope there will be another brand with same concept - Audi?
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My original question is what oil did the factory put in the car, not what oil is approved. As I said, I want to carry around a quart of oil in the car in case any needs to be added. I would like the oil that I have on hand to be the same viscosity and be made by the manufacturer as the oil that is in the car now. When I do my first oil change I will put in the oil of my own choosing. Until then I have a need to know what is in the car now.
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      01-15-2017, 11:54 AM   #9
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Do you have an alternate plan if the info isn't readily available?
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      01-15-2017, 12:32 PM   #10
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ajshanny, best bet is to buy a bottle from BMW dealer - as has been discussed above, they will not sell anything that is bad for your engine.

Switching to another brand/type is a bit risky, even if that risk is limited, but so is also your economic gain compared to enginebreakdown.

Engine oil is a lucrative business - I caught my local Shell mechanic filling oil from a barrel into a "Premium" Shell quart bottle. Have not used him since.
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My original question is what oil did the factory put in the car, not what oil is approved. As I said, I want to carry around a quart of oil in the car in case any needs to be added. I would like the oil that I have on hand to be the same viscosity and be made by the manufacturer as the oil that is in the car now. When I do my first oil change I will put in the oil of my own choosing. Until then I have a need to know what is in the car now.
As I said before, it is most likely 5W-30.
But there is a small chance it may be 0W-20 since its a USA car and the USA is transitioning to 0W-20 for fuel economy and emission reasons.

There is no problem topping up with the 5W-30 if the engine has 0w-20 in it.

The make would be Shell GTL. (Known as Pensoil GTL in the US)
Available from any BMW dealer under the BMW Twin Power Turbo name


Id be surprised it the car need any topping off at all.
The US oil change interval is about half of what it is in the rest of the world (20,000 to 30,000km in the rest of the world) and these engines dont usually need topping up even on the longer intervals.
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E90, in my world "readily" means that I have a servicebook, where I can see what has been done and what shall be done in the future.

I have had SAAB:s as long as I can remember, and they issued servicebooks. As you know SAAB is no more, but I still keep a 9000 Turbo.

I am - after two modifications - lowering and M Performance exhaust, happy with my X4 35i, but not with the attitude from BMW: "We will tell you what shall be done - and keep track on what is done". This is not consistent with the fact that my car is fully paid for and I can - and will do - whatever I feel necessary.
What needs servicing at what time is pretty much fixed on all BMW's
I can post the standard list here for your Euro X4 if you like.
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      01-16-2017, 12:29 AM   #14
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E90, yes, please.
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E90, yes, please.
These are the standard Euro requirements for the F25 (X4)
They may differ slightly in certain countries due to fuel or air quality issues
The mileage for the change may be reduced by the onboard computer depending on driving style.

Oil Change: Every service (approx 30,000km or 2 Years)
Microfilter: Every service (approx 30,000km or 2 Years)
Engine Air Filter: Every 2nd service (approx 60,000km or 4 Years)
Spark Plugs : Every 2nd service (approx 60,000km or 4 Years)
Diesel Fuel filter: Every 2nd service (approx 60,000km or 4 Years)

Brake fluid: Change after 3 years from factory fill, then every 2 years

Coolant: Lifetime fill

Vehicle emissions test: Country dependent
Vehicle condition check : Country dependent: Usually every 2nd service

Brake pads: As needed

Gearbox oil: Lifetime fill (BMW regards the lifetime as being about 150,000km)

Key batteries: Replace every service


Every service:
Function check of parking brake without roller dynamometer
Check Check Control messages
Check indicator and warning lights
For vehicles with slide/tilt sunroof/panorama glass roof:
Check the slide/tilt sunroof guide rails for dirt contamination. Clean if necessary
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Thanks!

Key batteries are a surprise. Obviously not changed at my free service. I am in for last free service in a couple of months - brake fluid only. I will make certain they will change key batteries - even if I have to pay for them.

Afterthought - you sure also applies to comfort opening, where transponder need less power to just give a short range answer to call from vehicle?

What about petrol fuel filter?
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Thanks!

Key batteries are a surprise. Obviously not changed at my free service. I am in for last free service in a couple of months - brake fluid only. I will make certain they will change key batteries - even if I have to pay for them.

Afterthought - you sure also applies to comfort opening, where transponder need less power to just give a short range answer to call from vehicle?

What about petrol fuel filter?
Key batteries are an easy DIY
And much cheaper than going to the dealer.
You car manual shows yo how to do it.

Petrol fuel filter is a "lifetime filter"
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      03-11-2017, 06:36 AM   #18
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I picked up a 2017 220i Gran Tourer two weeks ago. Dealer supplied a bottle of TwinPower Turbo 0W30 oil (probably the Shell GTL). I suspect that this was the factory fill as well.
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I picked up a 2017 220i Gran Tourer two weeks ago. Dealer supplied a bottle of TwinPower Turbo 0W30 oil (probably the Shell GTL). I suspect that this was the factory fill as well.
Yes, for a European car I would expect the dealers to use the LL-04 0W-30.
Your fuel is clean so their dealers can use LL-04 in the petrol and Diesel engines.
Europe does not seem to be pushing the low emissions 0W-20 LL-01 oil like the USA is now.

The BMW oils are all Shell GTL oils (also known as Shell PurePlus technology)
Its a very highly rated oil, up there with Mobil 1



Now in most of the rest of the world the petrol is too "dirty" to use LL-04, so LL-01 with its extra additives is used.

My suspicion is the original factory oil is a LL-01 (probably the 5W-30 one) to make sure it doesnt matter where the engine goes the original oil is compatible with the fuel used.
At the first service you will then get the local one used.

There is no problem what so ever mixing LL-04 with LL-01 in European countries (like if you use LL-04 as topup oil).
But do not use LL-04 outside Europe in petrol engines.
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0W-20 for a Canadian F48. There is a little sticker on the underside of the hood.
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      03-14-2017, 06:25 AM   #21
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0W-20 for a Canadian F48. There is a little sticker on the underside of the hood.
Thanks
So you guys are also changing to the "low emissions" 0W-20 LL-01 oil like the USA

Would be really interesting to have someone test the initial factory fill to see if its regular worldwide 5W-30 or if its 0W-20 for North American cars.
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      03-14-2017, 07:35 PM   #22
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The picture is interesting. I am in Canada and I noticed a spare litre of oil when I bought the car a couple of weeks ago. It is the twin turbo oil and on the back it says 5w-30. Maybe they are getting rid of all the old oil. Lol
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