[callum_62]

Hi,

Just took deliver of used 2019 x1 18i lci

The headlights are whatever comes with the tech pack 2...believe they are the led adaptive lights

Sidelights on everything looks fine

When dipped headlights on I get a really obvious pattern on the unit

Its like 8 circles (4 ontop and 4 directly underneath) that looks like its being projected onto the unit itself

Its actually quite hard to get a picture of but it's really obvious in person

Does anyone else have this? Or any idea what's causing it

It doesn't seem to affect the actual functioning of the lights but I just looks a bit odd

[Peter_R]

Originally Posted by callum_62

Hi,

Just took deliver of used 2019 x1 18i lci

The headlights are whatever comes with the tech pack 2...believe they are the led adaptive lights

Sidelights on everything looks fine

When dipped headlights on I get a really obvious pattern on the unit

Its like 8 circles (4 ontop and 4 directly underneath) that looks like its being projected onto the unit itself

Its actually quite hard to get a picture of but it's really obvious in person

Does anyone else have this? Or any idea what's causing it

It doesn't seem to affect the actual functioning of the lights but I just looks a bit odd

Yes. This absolutely normal. There are 4 LED projector lenses in each headlight on each side of the car that switch on and off during their adaptive functioning. Because of the way they operate, they leave 8 perfectly round 1cm diameter circles on the front of the headlight assembly.
They are dirt/traffic film on the outside of the lense and these can be cleaned off with a cloth.

[callum_62]

Originally Posted by Peter_R

Yes. This absolutely normal. There are 4 LED projector lenses in each headlight on each side of the car that switch on and off during their adaptive functioning. Because of the way they operate, they leave 8 perfectly round 1cm diameter circles on the front of the headlight assembly.
They are dirt/traffic film on the outside of the lense and these can be cleaned off with a cloth.

I thought it must be how they function as its was two perfect matches in each headlight unit

Ive noticed quite a bit of condensation in the unit as well but i think thats also fairly normal - i'll keep an eye on that though

[oakey46]

Originally Posted by callum_62

Ive noticed quite a bit of condensation in the unit as well but i think thats also fairly normal - i'll keep an eye on that though

I have the LED headlights which, under normal weather conditions, throw a very good light beam. I haven’t noticed any condensation.
One consideration though is that because LED units run at a very much cooler temperature than other type headlights (halogen etc), during any winter snow the light units can become covered whilst it is actually snowing. I found that it also doesn’t really help if slush is thrown up from the road because there’s little, if any, melt from the heat inside the headlamp units.
If I am to buy another X1, I would hope to be able to spec it with headlamp washers. I wonder if anyone has found that a product such as (in the uk) Rainex might help if applied to the outside of the light units, assuming it can be used on plastic headlights. I do use Rainex on the driver and front passenger side windows and it helps quickly shift any rain when driving although I found that on a previous car it was not good if used on the front screen.

[callum_62]

Originally Posted by oakey46

I have the LED headlights which, under normal weather conditions, throw a very good light beam. I haven’t noticed any condensation.
One consideration though is that because LED units run at a very much cooler temperature than other type headlights (halogen etc), during any winter snow the light units can become covered whilst it is actually snowing. I found that it also doesn’t really help if slush is thrown up from the road because there’s little, if any, melt from the heat inside the headlamp units.
If I am to buy another X1, I would hope to be able to spec it with headlamp washers. I wonder if anyone has found that a product such as (in the uk) Rainex might help if applied to the outside of the light units, assuming it can be used on plastic headlights. I do use Rainex on the driver and front passenger side windows and it helps quickly shift any rain when driving although I found that on a previous car it was not good if used on the front screen.

Here's some pics taken after a 20 min drive or so with headlights on the whole way

both sides had some condensation, the fogging near bottom cleared quite quickly but the condensation along the top seems or be there almost all the time (has been very wet since I got the car though)

[oakey46]

I’d be heading back to the dealer with an issue such as is evident from those photos. Just be sure to take the pics along with you - presumably they’re on your mobile phone.

[callum_62]

This was taken this evening - car hasn't been driven since the morning

[callum_62]

I've sent these pics to local BMW dealer.

I'm not overly fussed regarding the light misting we get but the issues towards the top of the unit look more of a problem to me

[MJE60]

Originally Posted by callum_62

Hi,

Just took deliver of used 2019 x1 18i lci

The headlights are whatever comes with the tech pack 2...believe they are the led adaptive lights

Sidelights on everything looks fine

When dipped headlights on I get a really obvious pattern on the unit

Its like 8 circles (4 ontop and 4 directly underneath) that looks like its being projected onto the unit itself

Its actually quite hard to get a picture of but it's really obvious in person

Does anyone else have this? Or any idea what's causing it

It doesn't seem to affect the actual functioning of the lights but I just looks a bit odd

The car will still have a full BMW warranty and I would expect both units to be replaced, condensation is NOT acceptable (they are supposed to be sealed) and looks like there is other damage. I would also get an experienced mechanic to look at the front end as I would be suspicious of a past collision. Good luck

[callum_62]

Originally Posted by MJE60

The car will still have a full BMW warranty and I would expect both units to be replaced, condensation is NOT acceptable (they are supposed to be sealed) and looks like there is other damage. I would also get an experienced mechanic to look at the front end as I would be suspicious of a past collision. Good luck

I don't belive the LED units are actually completely sealed units

What would lead you to believe the car was involved in an accident?

[X1604M]

Pls find the following link for your reference.

https://www.2addicts.com/forums/show....php?t=1593335

https://www.2addicts.com/forums/atta...8;d=1552829522

I had the same issue after one year on my 2018 f48. BMW dealer tried to dried out and did wet test and released the car to me saying that it's ok. But after one week I washed the car and it happened again. The dealership tested and had to replace the right headlight unit.

It's best to have them checked out.

[MJE60]

Originally Posted by callum_62

I don't belive the LED units are actually completely sealed units

What would lead you to believe the car was involved in an accident?

My reasoning is;
- the units may not be completely sealed (in the sense that they are designed to be accessed) however they are still relatively new and are designed and sealed to handle severe weather and road conditions without allowing easy water ingress, and
- I am not aware the problem you are having is at all common even with cars older than yours, and
- a problem with one unit could be a small manufacturing defect, problems with both make that less likely,
- with the other issue I therefore suspect the units might have been badly handled, possibly removed and refitted and/or water protection compromised.

An accident and repair is a possible explanation and given the car is a recent purchase and the units very expensive to replace I merely suggested you check (if not declared), especially given warranty and consumer protection.
Good Luck, I hope it is easily sorted.

[callum_62]

[QUOTE=MJE60;27017423]My reasoning is;
- the units may not be completely sealed (in the sense that they are designed to be accessed) however they are still relatively new and are designed and sealed to handle severe weather and road conditions without allowing easy water ingress, and
- I am not aware the problem you are having is at all common even with cars older than yours, and
- a problem with one unit could be a small manufacturing defect, problems with both make that less likely,
- with the other issue I therefore suspect the units might have been badly handled, possibly removed and refitted and/or water protection compromised.

An accident and repair is a possible explanation and given the car is a recent purchase and the units very expensive to replace I merely suggested you check (if not declared), especially given warranty and consumer protection.
Good Luck, I hope it is easily sorted.[/QUOTE

Thanks, I've sent the info to local BMW. Car was purchased via BMW approved dealer so shouldn't be an issue either way

Been raining here overnight and it appears no condensation in the unit this morning, see how they look after todays school run

[callum_62]

Originally Posted by X1604M

Pls find the following link for your reference.

https://www.2addicts.com/forums/show....php?t=1593335

https://www.2addicts.com/forums/atta...1&d=1552829522

I had the same issue after one year on my 2018 f48. BMW dealer tried to dried out and did wet test and released the car to me saying that it's ok. But after one week I washed the car and it happened again. The dealership tested and had to replace the right headlight unit.

It's best to have them checked out.

Was the condensation in your unit there all the time or did It come and go?

As my units had no condensation this morning the dealer is claiming that's proof enough they are functioning as normal

I guess that sort of makes sense but now after coming home a hour ago - both units have condensation along the top end with the LHS unit also alot of misting along the side

[X1604M]

The condensation was come and go. But they stayed there after parked in the rain or the car wash. Mine was big droplets were there some time. I showed them the photos.

Keep monitoring them and take photos. Weather might play a role. Hope you find a solution soon.

[Paul R B]

I have the same headlights on my 2015 F48 and have never had any condensation. I’d be insisting your dealer investigates if still under a warranty.

[callum_62]

Originally Posted by Paul R B

I have the same headlights on my 2015 F48 and have never had any condensation. I’d be insisting your dealer investigates if still under a warranty.

Yeah I've just emailed them back saying it should be investigated

The default position appears it be condensation with the occasional brief clearance. That can't be right

Again the morning after a 20 min school run with lights on we have mir emusting that when I left but the top of the unit seems to be holding alot of water droplets

Its not allowing me to upload pics at the moment but will later

[MJE60]

Originally Posted by callum_62

Yeah I've just emailed them back saying it should be investigated

The default position appears it be condensation with the occasional brief clearance. That can't be right

Again the morning after a 20 min school run with lights on we have mir emusting that when I left but the top of the unit seems to be holding alot of water droplets

Its not allowing me to upload pics at the moment but will later

Quite right and suggest that if the dealer who sold you the car is reluctant then find the nearest main BMW dealership and stress this is a warranty issue.
Good luck again

[callum_62]

Attempt at pics

[X1604M]

Originally Posted by callum_62

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One thing the dealership must do after you bought up the issue is to dry out the headlight units and do a wet test. They can't just keep saying it's normal. I think they both needs to be replaced because the condensation goes away after turning on the lights for a while.