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More fun? No. Less expense, yes. But, I have a buddy with a spec Miata. Every time I catch him on the track, I do a little "follow" with him for a lap or two. I have to admit, I have 90% of the fun, with only 25% of the wear. He is BLISTERING it in the turns, and while I CAN be a little faster, he's pretty damn close. When we're puttering down the straight at 110mph (I'm able to get 160 on the straight away), waiting till the last damn second to brake behind him shows me why everybody thinks Miata brakes are so good. But mine are JUST as good at stopping this 4000 pound lump from 110 as his are stopping that little go-cart. I love being stupid fast in this 4 door sedan that I haul the track tires to and from the track. He has to have a trailer, and space to store the race car, and the tow vehicle. But, he has a crapton of fun, despite being MUCH MUCH slower per lap. And has cheap parts. And uses less gas. And uses less brakes. And has less tire wear. "Fun" is individual. For me, it's the auto M5 CS. But, I'd have 90% of the fun in a little Miata. Choices. Choices. Shawn |
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Boy i grew out of that. As cars became much more efficient, advanced, comfortable and easy to go as fast as you want. I still enjoy that experience, moreso because of how easy it is car makers make these cars with the auto. They're fast, they have many different settings, they have many different characteristics (like if the car is your daily). Some people don't get it. It would be one thing if someone doesn't know how to drive a manual and root for auto. But someone who's done the work for decades, making the transition and still having fun and enjoying the other side, i will absolutely take that as enough evidence to prove a point that you can have fun with the auto. Hence my purpose in this thread here. On other forums, the results would be exactly the same. So i'm not surprised at how this debate turned out.
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My reply was "the one you see on my bumper when I go by you". Technology marches on. As it does, and you track, if you enjoy the hobby, you have a lot of choices. Fast, or fun, or a balance of both. The REAL debate at track is you have three values - fast, cheap, or reliable. Pick any two. You CANNOT have all three. That's the biggest compromise. Shawn |
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Awfully defensive considering it was one person who said this. And they hardly speak for the entirety of the manual community. Take a chill pill; you're coming across as the auto-fanboy in this case.
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Those were the worst six months of my life lol. I'm a car enthusiast, I enjoy the art of driving, the only real way to get that, for me at least, is in a manual. If you have a leg injury and can't use the clutch or if you have back issues or something, by all means, get an auto and be done with it. But if you're able to, a manual is only way to fully enjoy the experience. So to the OP, trade that auto in for a six speed and don't look back.
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I knew there had to be someone who actually liked this transmission. Never met anyone who did. I spent half of a 2-day M-school in one and the rest in the manual. Night and day difference but at the end of a long, hot day, the SMG was the lazy way around the track.
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For daily like 4th shift stage was really good for manual and 2nd stage for auto ( didn't use ) I would laugh when my manual buddies would drive it as they couldn't master it and I was generally in for a jerky ride. |
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I dunno... I had way more fun going down the corkscrew in my DCT M3 CS than driving to Target in any of my 6MTs of the past. It all depends on how you use it.
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The DCT or even the ZF8 in the G82, however, are not autonomous since I am always in manual mode, where I choose the gear, and I choose when to shift and at what RPM. I also turn off traction control completely, and I threshold brake on the track, so ABS is not used unless it's absolutely an emergency. I've had several off track incidences, and yes, ABS was engaged for those instances, but I was already sideways so threshold braking was no longer the best option. Threshold braking, as I was taught, is to optimize braking and help transition front to rear weight distribution during trail braking in corner entry. Once I'm going sideways at triple digit speeds headed towards a tire wall, stopping takes priority over slip angle. Is tracking potentially more fun in the 6MT? I can't deny that. Does it mean that I'm "bored" on the track with a DCT or ZF8? Obviously not!
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my regular car was a f80 manual and weekend was a 458. i'd rather have it the other way around. have a dct for the every day stuff and a manual for fun on the weekend. problem is no manual supercars really exist now. you'd have go back to a gallardo, f430, viper, or 1st gen r8 v10 if you want a manual sports car.
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I'm in my first auto in about 15 years and have had manual M3/4's up until now. While the ZF8 is amazing and the up/down shifting process is overall faster by far, I'm still waiting for that shift instead of being a part of the shifting (if that makes sense). Stop and go traffic is a b*tch, and it's slower than an automatic, but I'll gladly take a manual for the engagement.
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