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      05-23-2022, 05:14 AM   #375
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Here is the barcelona speed trap that was available on f1i:




It looks like with the new pu the mercedes is alot faster than before. I am not sure if Hamilton got a tow or something because he was alot faster than George. It could also be setup.
Yeah . That's what Wolff said as well : HAM had the fastest car of the race .

IMHO . IDK .
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Yeah . That's what Wolff said as well : HAM had the fastest car of the race .

IMHO . IDK .
That 13 motor encapsulated in the skin tight body and the rear body sag skimming the ground is overheating their engines in 32C + temps well into the race, there's no room for the heat to dissipate. I'm guessing they'll have to make more vents and raise the body bringing back more of the porpoising.

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Here is the barcelona speed trap that was available on f1i:




It looks like with the new pu the mercedes is alot faster than before. I am not sure if Hamilton got a tow or something because he was alot faster than George. It could also be setup.
Good news for Mercedes. If their heating issue was really a result of a loose water hose instead of the PU being overworked, it could be another thing Mercedes has checked off in terms of development progress on the W13. They could really then focus on setup and we get a 3-team fight this year.
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Good news for Mercedes. If their heating issue was really a result of a loose water hose instead of the PU being overworked, it could be another thing Mercedes has checked off in terms of development progress on the W13. They could really then focus on setup and we get a 3-team fight this year.
A loose water hose? Damn that could be bad news if the coolant all leaked out, warped heads, damage cylinders etc.

But I am not sure how accurate these results are, because: Lewis is so much faster than George (if it is setup causing the difference than maybe merc did get faster, but if it was because of a tow then not so much - likely not this because the tow is alot weaker this year), and we don't know if the others are suffering from engine deg - but ferrari was running a new engine on charles's car so there is some signs merc is faster than ferrari.

It might also be due to a more efficent aero package they released, since Williams have always been near the top all year long in terms of trap speed. So I'm thinking it could be a more efficent aero package vs. some huge gain in power.
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lol guys Mercs are looking 15kmh faster on the straights than Red Bull on the straight every lap?
its clearly a perfect timed overtake top speed..

Felt bad about Leclerc that he gifted Max a race win.. FIA gifted a championship last year also so Max is having having more than christmas still.. Perez didnt like gifting a race win to Max.. that was the first rebel move from Perez since he joined..

at least there are some hope in Merc cars now.. it looks a bit edgy but at least it looks more drivable now.. and proud of Russell that he defensed perfectly and Russell's reactive overtake was superb!
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.. and proud of Russell that he defensed perfectly and Russell's reactive overtake was superb!
A stand out moment in F1 racing...his skill is truly remarkable.
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"Yes, we've had this issue on the car and I'm disappointed, but on the other hand, there were plenty of positive signs throughout the whole weekend."
"Our qualifying pace and the new package worked as expected, which is not always a given, and everything was working well."
"Then there is our race pace and tyre management. We've been struggling the last three races compared to Red Bull, and in Barcelona it was strong."
"In those situations, it's good to also look at the positives and there are plenty."---Charles Leclerc
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Bye to Merc's top speed when they lift the rear to save the PU's from frying and maybe the damage is already done. Maximum wing at Monaco with shallower gearing and less air entry into rads and PU compartment may intensify their predicament with hot temps again.
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Bye to Merc's top speed when they lift the rear to save the PU's from frying and maybe the damage is already done. Maximum wing at Monaco with shallower gearing and less air entry into rads and PU compartment may intensify their predicament with hot temps again.
This is likely inaccurate.

1) Why would they increase rear ride height on a low speed track? There's no logical reason to increase rake at all on a ground effects based car, unless you're doing so to compensate for porpoising due to squatting of the car, and since merc solved their porposing there is no need to do so. Also it is a low speed track it is unlikely they even need to raise ride height to decrease load.

2) Low speed track also means low power demand for alot of the lap so less heat generation, they can also open more cooling slots in the car that they didn't have in barcelona. The w13 has further cooling slots by the team viewer logo that they could open up for additional cooling but chose not to do so in barcelona.

3) Gear ratios are fixed....
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According to the FIA, Red Bull struggled with low fuel temperatures. The limit is 10C below the outside temperature, Red Bull fuel was 25C degrees below and only reached the required value shortly before leaving the pits. In Miami, the fuel temp limit was fixed limit of 18C. But apparently Ferrari vetoed this limit because the Mercs and Honda PU are said to not tolerate the warm fuel as well as the engines from Maranello.

The teams do not agree on when it is illegal to use fuel that is too cool. The rules say: "When the car is in use". So when the car is used. Aston believes this moment with stepping out of the garage. Ferrari sees the fact that the car is being used as soon as the engines are started.

Max’s DRS was a new prototype that weighed less than Checo’s. It failed.

Russell was moving a bit in the braking zone on both Checo and Max. This will likely be less tolerated in the future.
Russell was definitely driving dirty with his moving from the far left to the middle to cut off Max and give him nowhere to make a move. He knew he was getting passed by Max no matter what - he just does not have Max's pace on track.
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LEC turbo and MGH-U damaged and not repairable. That's going to be another swap for the next GP.
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Yeah . That's what Wolff said as well : HAM had the fastest car of the race .

IMHO . IDK .
I'm pretty sure he said ham had the fastest race pace, not the fastest car. I'm also not sure if this speed trap is inaccurate because the delta between Lewis and George is quite large which is a sign of abnormalities.
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Here is an image of the mclaren with flow vis on it, it is a really really intriguing image showing some really detailed flow patterns on the body and floor of the car. You can also really notice the flow down washing over the body and then converging in the coke bottle area and going to the rear diffuser it is really facinating. You can also see how the rear suspension arms shape the air flow and direct it up and into a key region between the upper and lower wish bone, very cool. Too bad images like these are hard to come by and some teams like merc use uv flow vis so it is pretty much invisible.

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I'm pretty sure he said ham had the fastest race pace, not the fastest car. I'm also not sure if this speed trap is inaccurate because the delta between Lewis and George is quite large which is a sign of abnormalities.
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LOL - anything to help Hamilton's gigantic ego.

Probably told him the same when he finished 14th.
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LEC turbo and MGH-U damaged and not repairable. That's going to be another swap for the next GP.
Hmm, going into Spanish GP both Ferrari's were on 2nd turbo and MGH-U. Seems like Leclerc will be going to 3rd and final units before penalties.
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It's the same on the Ferrari too.

But the important part is it's no longer costing them performance (well it's still a bit costly in some corners), and the intensity is much less than before. I'm sure it'll get better as they refine the floor some more.
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Hmm, going into Spanish GP both Ferrari's were on 2nd turbo and MGH-U. Seems like Leclerc will be going to 3rd and final units before penalties.
Really? Both ferrari's already were on their 2nd complete PU?
There's still 16 races to go...

Edit: indeed I see. ALO is already on his 4th PU wtf:
https://maxf1.net/en/2022-f1-power-unit-elements-usage/

Max still only 1.

Both alphatauri's also on their 3rd. Are they running a way more aggressive ecu mapping?


I know you can take those penalties whenever it suits you best, but how close the championship is going it's very close for LEC (or VER) to take any penalty.
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