Gintani Downpipes Installed

[jackkk]

Originally Posted by Charles@Gintani.com

We have been working non-stop on a flash for these cars. We will not release a piggy back. We have also purchased our own F13 M6 and F32 435 shop cars to work on in development of these flashes.

Sounds good!

[saxonb]

Just wanted to say NAY! lol so much passion here guys.

Great work Gitani on time to market.

M5 results for comparison:
here

Pretty chunky improvement across the torque and power whole curve.

[jc05e46m3]

Originally Posted by Blipit_

From reading the OP's post, he has been running a Gintani beta tune when the downpipes were installed. I don't think they want to release dynos right now with an unfinished tune. OP said they didn't have time to reload the stock map. I am sure we will get a dyno soon, with the stock tune back on the car.

You're absolutely right

Glad someone can read.

[Rekrul]

Originally Posted by A418t81

I'm guessing it didn't provide much of a power boost on a stockish flash as they obviously dyno'd it after the install. If it had, that would have been part of the marketing ploy already. Too bad, still would be good data to see.

Not to go offtopic... but I noticed you have a 997.1 Turbo as well as the new M. How do they compare ?

[M5Rlz]

Nice to see prices are somewhat in line with the top tier offerings of downpipes from back in the n54 days..

And that they weren't crazy expensive like my F10 M5 with my AMS ones being almost 4k and super sprint being over 4k.

[jc05e46m3]

Originally Posted by 335iRlz

Nice to see prices are somewhat in line with the top tier offerings of downpipes from back in the n54 days..

And that they weren't crazy expensive like my F10 M5 with my AMS ones being almost 4k and super sprint being over 4k.

This is also true. I know that ER has their solution coming out very very soon and am curious to see where their prices will fall in comparison.

[///M ARMY]

ER has my car and testing out a few things. Should have back this week and dyno this weekend.

People should just be happy with new products coming out. Takes time for everything to develop. Gintani is first on the market and looks good.

[jc05e46m3]

Originally Posted by ///M ARMY

ER has my car and testing out a few things. Should have back this week and dyno this weekend.

People should just be happy with new products coming out. Takes time for everything to develop. Gintani is first on the market and looks good.

It's you they were telling me about then

Nice. Excited for results!

[zosoboogie]

Originally Posted by tightie

I installed my downpipes on Friday. I will be going back tomorrow for a dyno, we didn't have time to put back the stock file.

Car sounds freaking amazing. It opened up the car on the top end, the low end you hear the turbos spool. LOVE it.

It's a must do.

I havent uploaded directly onto the forum but have them uploaded via instagram.

Sorry.

here are the links:

Actual downpipes: http://instagram.com/p/qU4hqhsF7g/

Reving the car: http://instagram.com/p/qXp3mnsF7G/

Quick Dyno Pull: http://instagram.com/p/qVWBlhMF6b/


Thanks,
Josh

Josh,

I hear some warranty would be voided with down pipes...is that true.

[Myrder]

Fact, downpipes can void your warranty, it depends on your SA at the dealer. Mine was chill with them on my 335i, but some will void warranty if they see them period.

Gintani, I'm still confused on the CEL that normally happens on BMWs for catless DPs. Can you elaborate on this? O2 sim?

[Charles@Gintani.com]

Originally Posted by Myrder

Fact, downpipes can void your warranty, it depends on your SA at the dealer. Mine was chill with them on my 335i, but some will void warranty if they see them period.

Gintani, I'm still confused on the CEL that normally happens on BMWs for catless DPs. Can you elaborate on this? O2 sim?

Josh's (tightie) car has put on approximately 300 miles without a CEL light coming on. We've made our secondary o2 sensor bungs on our down pipes with a special design which we have been testing on our M5 and M6 for a while now with no CEL lights appearing. Now, we are testing them on the M3/M4 and pretty confident the results should be the same as our M5/M6. That being said, there is still no 100% guarantee of a CEL not appearing as of yet.

[Myrder]

Originally Posted by Charles@Gintani.com

Josh's (tightie) car has put on approximately 300 miles without a CEL light coming on. We've made our secondary o2 sensor bungs on our down pipes with a special design which we have been testing on our M5 and M6 for a while now with no CEL lights appearing. Now, we are testing them on the M3/M4 and pretty confident the results should be the same as our M5/M6. That being said, there is still no 100% guarantee of a CEL not appearing as of yet.

Nice job!

[StealYourFace]

Sounds awesome.

I cant wait to hear the exhaust with the stock DPs and the secondary cats removed. Should be cheaper (but less gains) but easier since those aren't monitored in terms of not getting a cel/

[tightie]

Originally Posted by bdoooh

The most important part of this thread I got away with was... Gintani says they refuse to release a piggyback! If they can legitimately crack this ECU, I will definitely hold out for it & avoid the JB4 until Gintani cracks it..

They have already flashed into my car which no one in this world has been able to do, so I'm pretty confident that it will be done.

Originally Posted by KennyPowers

So , i see you did a quick dyno pull, what were the results?

Edit : and bullsh*t a dyno isn't required. For 1300 dollars I want a dyno, and so does everyone else. Products need to prove themselves, bottom line. No dyno, no consideration

Listen smart ass, when its 90 degrees out, 630 pm in the afternoon, literally rolling the car out of the shop and not having time to flash the car back to stock because I have a family dinner every Friday night, that is a problem.

You want real results? Then calm your ass down and you will get them.

No need for your bullshit comments, it doesnt make a difference in my life if Gintani sells 1 down pipe or zero. I paid for mine, I'm happy with it and when I have a chance to dyno, I will.

Which I did, this morning. The world doesnt revolve around you.

Originally Posted by W Cole

This would be amazing but seems unlikely that Gintani cracked it.

With the e9x no tuner actually cracks the ECU. They all get the software and cable from the same source and just put their own branding on it.

In fact several (all?) of the tunes for the e9x come from the same original source and are just tweaked by the various tuners (if at all).

Not true.

Originally Posted by Blipit_

From reading the OP's post, he has been running a Gintani beta tune when the downpipes were installed. I don't think they want to release dynos right now with an unfinished tune. OP said they didn't have time to reload the stock map. I am sure we will get a dyno soon, with the stock tune back on the car.

Yes. Thank you.

Originally Posted by zosoboogie

Josh,


I hear some warranty would be voided with down pipes...is that true.

It all depends on your service advisor.

[tightie]

Here is your dyno. The more we ran the car, the more power it made. Didn't turn the car off, didnt sit around waiting for a glory run. Every run was making more and more power. It just seems that the car is still adapting to the downpipes.

Here is the dyno:

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by tightie

Here is your dyno. The more we ran the car, the more power it made. Didn't turn the car off, didnt sit around waiting for a glory run. Every run was making more and more power. It just seems that the car is still adapting to the downpipes.

Here is the dyno:

Nice gains in both top and low end torque

The downpipes seem to make a flatter torque curve overall, which is good news.. The improvement at high RPM must feel very good.

[jc05e46m3]

Originally Posted by tightie

Here is your dyno. The more we ran the car, the more power it made. Didn't turn the car off, didnt sit around waiting for a glory run. Every run was making more and more power. It just seems that the car is still adapting to the downpipes.

Here is the dyno:

Nice numbers, Josh. Definitely is making power everywhere. I really like that it increased both HP and TQ significantly above 5750rpm, which is where it really needs it IMO.

EDIT: This should quiet the peanut gallery for a while, at least...

[W Cole]

Originally Posted by tightie

Here is your dyno. The more we ran the car, the more power it made. Didn't turn the car off, didnt sit around waiting for a glory run. Every run was making more and more power. It just seems that the car is still adapting to the downpipes.

Here is the dyno:

Is the stock run from a couple days ago? Or did they remove the pipes today and do a back-to-back before/after?

[Mike@N54Tuning.com]

Why not do the run on the same EAS dyno so we can see the real before and after numbers? Curious what the downpipes might add alone! This car did around 420whp at EAS before right?

Mike

[///M ARMY]

I like it made power above 5500rpm. I wonder how much power this will add with the JB

[tightie]

Originally Posted by W Cole

Is the stock run from a couple days ago? Or did they remove the pipes today and do a back-to-back before/after?

The stock runs were from a couple of days ago. Not back-to-back.

Originally Posted by Mike@N54Tuning.com

Why not do the run on the same EAS dyno so we can see the real before and after numbers? Curious what the downpipes might add alone! This car did around 420whp at EAS before right?

Mike

I don't understand how the numbers I posted isn't real, but regardless I do plan on going to EAS to redyno. It is just a mission getting there since its 60 miles away. I put down 424 hp/425 tq.

[Charles@Gintani.com]

Originally Posted by Mike@N54Tuning.com

Why not do the run on the same EAS dyno so we can see the real before and after numbers? Curious what the downpipes might add alone! This car did around 420whp at EAS before right?

Mike

This was with just down pipes alone (no flash). What are you referring to as "real" before and after numbers? If you are trying to suggest we are fabricating numbers, you can wait for Josh to go to EAS to dyno his car there (which he has already planned to do, but cannot drive to Anaheim for everyone else's convenience). You act like the gains are so big that we would have to cheat it? It makes decent power, nothing to brag about.