[brissim]

Originally Posted by eml

starting to plan to bite the bullet on this one. does anybody here have the prices of each option? RRP is ok -- just need to start working out ballpark figures for each configuration. looking at either xDrive 20d or xDrive 25i -- and since the 25i has a lot standard, am thinking if it's worth getting an equivalently equipped 20d -- so would be great if anybody has options pricing. tia

When we were looking at pricing, while the 20d starts out $3,500 cheaper than 25i (OTR), by the time you've optioned the 20d up to the same spec as the 25i (which is made easier by the various option packages rather than individual options), the 20d ends up ~$3,500 more expensive than the 25i. Unless you do very high miles (>25,000 km/yr) I would stay with the 25i.

Originally Posted by PhilipF1

Hi eml, hope this helps, it's the AU spec and pricing guide:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/0edo66pbmh...20F48.pdf?dl=0

It's an earlier version but prices are the same, the only thing missing in it is the M Sport Package, which is $2200 on the xDrive25i (I think it's $2900 on the other models).

You are correct. The version I have (from July 2015 Production) lists the M-Sports Package at $2,860 ($2,200 without LCT) for the 25i and $3,700 ($2,900 ex LCT) for the 20d (and 20i sDrive). Personally with question marks over the X1's ride quality I wouldn't bother with the M-Sports Package but would certainly option the sports seats.

Tony

[ttimbo]

One thing I see now with the M-Sports package is that there's no longer an M-Sports suspension option offered, which was the case originally, IIRC.

[eml]

agree that the 20d becomes less attractive with the way specs line up.

and, yes, am vacillating on the M Sport Package as the looks aren't that ... well ... organic (unlike the X5). while the sport seats can be optioned, it's the M steering wheel that's missing from the options list.

[PF1]

I had a hard time deciding between the standard 25i xLine and M Sport as well. XLine looks more rugged and more like an SUV, while M Sport looks more like a taller hatch. Price wise there wasn't much difference as I wanted dynamic dampers, sports seats and aluminium trim anyway. In the end the M Sport steering wheel, coloured bumpers (wife was set on white so the black plastic really stands out), and blue stitching on seats were the reasons I ordered the M Sport. If M Sport steering wheel was a separate option and I ordered a darker colour (sparkling brown or mineral grey) I would have gone with the rugged xLine look.

[KPD]

M Sport steering wheel is available as an option in some market. I have no idea why it's not available everywhere (early production availability maybe?). Such a shame. I definitely would have added it to my xLine if BMW offered it here in the UK.

The seats make the price difference between xLine and M Sport in the UK. M Sport gets non-leather Sport seats as standard. xLine gets regular leather seats as standard. All the other standard features are the same (excluding suspension, of course; M Sport suspension can be swapped with DDC for a little bit extra or removed without additional cost).

Judging by the IAA photographs and videos, I agree that M Sport resembles a chubby hatchback more rather than a small SUV. I'm also not a fan of their dull and limited colour range. xLine looks more rugged overall. Then again, it's difficult to judge based on just a bunch of photos and videos.

[ttimbo]

A postscript on my test drive.

Yesterday, my dealer invited me to a "Sunday drive" event, which allowed four of us to try four different cars over a suburban/semi rural route of about 40k. The four cars were two of the new 330 models, and two X1 20d's.

This reinforced my view that the standard seats in the X1 are awful -- the squab is too flat, too hard, and offers no side support. Others on the drive mentioned the same thing.

I was also able to compared 18" RFTs against 19", and found the 18"s gave a much more compliant ride, and were less noisy. Maybe I won't have to change to non-RFTs straight away.

Result: I'm glad I've gone with both the 18" wheel downsize, and have ordered the sports seats!!

[PF1]

Ttimbo, what did you think of the X1 compared to the 330i? We started looking at the 328i initially a few months back but decided to go the SUV route (mainly for my wife)- a part of me still wondering if I should have got the RWD 330i...

The 18" wheel design is arguably more attractive than the 19" in my opinion. Interesting about the ride difference. I might have gone with the 18" as well if not ordering the M Sport package (M Sport aero without M wheels would seem a bit odd).

[ttimbo]

I think the 330 vs X1 decision is a difficult one. To me, they're vehicles with different use cases. That said, the 330 is a very nice sedan...I can't call it a sports sedan...that's the 340, but if you want a decent Euro sedan, it'd be on my list.

As to 19" wheels on the X1 M Sport package...well, I just wouldn't! In the BMW brochure I have (which is market generic) it seems you can get the MSport wheels in 18", too. I'd be haggling for that!!

[li21]

Hey TTimbo and Mynewx1, fellow aussies

I just ordered:
Xdrive25i (Xline)
Alpine White
Fine oak trim
Dynamic Dampers
DAB+
Sport Seats
Panoramic roof

Can't wait to get it..

But Im now wondering whether I should downgrade to the 18"?

19" definitely look good !
TTimbo how much difference in looks and feel were the 18"s over the 19"s?

I've only ever seen 19" on an F48 .

What sort of design is available on 18"?

What I was hoping was keeping the 19" and choosing comfort on the Dynamic Damper setting. Hard to say if it will make a difference as none are available to test drive, but the sales guy reckons the Dynamic dampers make a huge difference in the Active Tourer.

[smv]

Gents, for those debating wether 18 or 19, with or without RFTS, with hard suspension (EDC in sport mode or Msport susp), here is my short take from a previous experience on a E90 335i that came with 1st generation RFTs on 18" (max factory fitted dimension) at that time:

- Originally the car was very jittery with the regular suspension and low profile RFTs, as if tyre profiles did not bend at all on corners and suspension was forced to make huge travels.

- When I upgraded the car to BMW Msports kit suspension, from the Msports parts, which is harder than the factory fitted Msports option, the car was the sweetest thing to ride, forcing the tire profiles to bend like butter, a perfect combination of suspension stiffness and tire hardness. This was equivalent to changing the tires to non-RFTs and keeping the original suspension as lots of others were doing. There is a reason why BMW (and other manufacturers) recommend low profile tyre options on hard/sports suspensions. You have to take into consideration the whole system (tyre/spring/absorber/bushing) behaviour, not individual components. in my simple thinking: The harder the tyre, the harder the suspension.

- On my current F30 / 335i, I opted on the 19" RFTs with EDC and drive it always on sport chassis mode, a far better behaviour than on comfort mode, where the wheels just bounce up and down and the chassis takes excessive rolls on hard bends.

- On my future to be X1 F48 (25D), I blindly opted for the 19"RFTS with of course the EDC option, knowing exactly what to expect..

All that said of course on the assumption that you like to have spirited drive, not use the car for city drive alone..

Just my 2 cents!

[PF1]

Hey Li21, congrats on ordering your new car!! Very nicely specced too

Dynamic dampers make a significant difference to the ride/handling balance in the 3 Series so I expect it to be similar in the X1, and overseas reviews of the car with dynamic dampers seem positive (although their roads are different).

There are 3 different wheel designs for the 18", I've only seen the common one (Style 569) that comes standard on the 20d. It's a nice design. Going from 19" to 18" will surely improve the ride, however your top-of-the-range 25i might get mistaken for the cheaper models (18d, 20i, 20d) at a glance - not sure how much that might matter to you.

My current car (not a BMW) is having new tyres fitted in 2 weeks, going from 18" Bridgestone RFTs to non-RFTs of the same brand - I'm really interested if that will make a big difference to the ride. Will report back!

[PF1]

Style 569 18":

https://www.bmw.co.uk/dam/brandBM/co...4677.type2.jpg

Style 567 18":

https://www.bmw.co.uk/dam/brandBM/co...1234.type1.jpg

Style 566 18":

https://www.bmw.co.uk/dam/brandBM/co...3502.type2.jpg

[ttimbo]

Style 566 is the "standard" 18" wheel (20d etc), so I have opted for the 569 style, which is "a bit different" for the 25i.

smv, thank you for the comments regarding RFTs and adaptive suspension on the 335.
I have previous experience with BMW RFTs, too, and agree they can be lived with on some other models. With the X1, I think there are some critical differences that need to be taken into account: first, the FWD platform, which seems to me a little less compliant than the RWD models we're used to; secondly, the shorter wheelbase -- 20mm shorter even than the F20, which militates against good ride (although wheelbase is not the most significant factor, from my test drives; thirdly, the higher CoG, which means you sit higher and thus move more, both laterally and transversely; fourthly, the standard base model wheel/tyre out of the factory is 17"; and finally, the fact we're talking about 19" RFTs (vs 18") on an SUV rather than a sports sedan.

The combination of these factors, plus my test drive experiences, is the basis for my personal opinion that the X1 with 19" RFTs is over-tyred. That means a harsh ride, and a noisy ride. In this type of vehicle, I'm not sure there are compensating handling benefits from the 19"; I suspect minimal, and there will be greater benefits from choosing the adaptive suspension (just a note on this: in my experience the "Comfort" setting is the same as the vehicle without Adaptive Suspension; " Sport" is just a firmer damper setting).

That's why I've specc'd my 25i with 18" wheels and Adaptive suspension. I haven't (yet) driven that combo, but I have driven an X1 with both 19" wheels, and 18" wheels, and the ride difference was noticeable (as was noise reduction). I may be wrong!! 😥

[euphoriaa]

Originally Posted by ttimbo

Style 566 is the "standard" 18" wheel (20d etc), so I have opted for the 569 style, which is "a bit different" for the 25i.

SMS, thank you for the comments regarding RFTs and adaptive suspension on the 335.
I have previous experience with BMW RFTs, too, and agree they can be lived with on some other models. With the X1, I think there are some critical differences that need to be taken into account: first, the FWD platform, which seems to me a little less compliant than the RWD models we're used to; secondly, the shorter wheelbase -- 20mm shorter even than the F20, which militates against good ride (although wheelbase is not the most significant factor, from my test drives; thirdly, the higher CoG, which means you sit higher and thus move more, both laterally and transversely; fourthly, the standard base model wheel/tyre out of the factory is 17"; and finally, the fact we're talking about 19" RFTs (vs 18") on an SUV rather than a sports sedan.

The combination of these factors, plus my test drive experiences, is the basis for my personal opinion that the X1 with 19" RFTs is over-tyred. That means a harsh ride, and a noisy ride. In this type of vehicle, I'm not sure there are compensating handling benefits from the 19"; I suspect minimal, and there will be greater benefits from choosing the adaptive suspension (just a note on this: in my experience the "Comfort" setting is the same as the vehicle without Adaptive Suspension; " Sport" is just a firmer damper setting).

That's why I've specc'd my 25i with 18" wheels and Adaptive suspension. I haven't (yet) driven that combo, but I have driven an X1 with both 19" wheels, and 18" wheels, and the ride difference was noticeable (as was noise reduction). I may be wrong!! 😥

Thank you for sharing your experience with us.

Was the ride comfortable with the 18'' wheels?

Having heard from many other reviews that the sound insulation on this new X1 has been vastly improved, I am not too worried about the noise, but rather on the ride quality - as a driver as well as a passenger.

Anyone can confirm that the comfort setting on the adaptive suspension gives the same settings/'feeling' as the ones without it?

[PF1]

From John Carey's report at the international launch:

"Handling is neat and tidy, aided by pleasantly precise electric-assist steering.

All test cars at the launch were equipped with optional Dynamic Damper Control. The switchable shock absorbers were cushy when set to Comfort.

Sport brought an improvement in cornering, without too much negative effect on ride quality.

Like most things about the X1, its suspension is nicely judged."

[ttimbo]

Originally Posted by euphoriaa

Was the ride comfortable with the 18'' wheels?

Having heard from many other reviews that the sound insulation on this new X1 has been vastly improved, I am not too worried about the noise, but rather on the ride quality - as a driver as well as a passenger.

Anyone can confirm that the comfort setting on the adaptive suspension gives the same settings/'feeling' as the ones without it?

Yes, the ride was better in the 20d I drove with 18" wheels, relative to the other I drove with 19" wheels.

As I mentioned, my understanding is that the DDC (adaptive damping) simply adds a firmer setting that is activated when the "Sport" setting is selected. There is no change to the springs, and the damping in "Comfort" is the same as for cars without DDC.

[li21]

I was reading the training sheet for DDC and it too only mentions "normal" and "sport"

So does that mean it only offers non-DDC like comfort ... And then a sportier setup?

Nothing that's more comfortable than non-DDC cars?

[ttimbo]

Yes, that's correct. I was using "Comfort" instead of "Normal", per my F20. There's nothing I've read or heard of suggesting DDC improves the ride in "Normal" over the standard, non-DDC X1s

[Cryptoshane]

Just joined the group and just bought my first BMW.....

X1 25i, M-Sport, Sun-roof, Adaptive CC and metallic paint (black). All for $63k, so very happy with the price. Like others, did a test drive and totally fell in love with the car. I'm coming from a 2009 Peugeot 308 HDi, so the engine really seemed amazing to me. Likewise the suspension etc. Road noise was less than the current car.

We looked at the Audi Q3 but didn't really seem to be in the same league (didn't drive it though...). Not really into MB so didn't even look. Anyway, had to make a post to join so thought I'd make it a real one. Now I just have to wait until June for delivery..... except I'm heading O/S for work about one week after due date, so I just know it will arrive the day I leave!!!

[Vogit]

Originally Posted by Cryptoshane

Just joined the group and just bought my first BMW.....

X1 25i, M-Sport, Sun-roof, Adaptive CC and metallic paint (black). ..

Now I just have to wait until June for delivery..... except I'm heading O/S for work about one week after due date, so I just know it will arrive the day I leave!!!

Welcome! Hope the wait doesn't seem too long, and that it comes before you go.