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      04-18-2020, 07:22 PM   #287
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What do you mean by "wired?"

PoE, coax, .. ??
Just in general Vs wireless.. I don’t know which is better.
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Wired ftw. I have the ring 2 wireless doorbell in addition to the 4 POE camera system I made in part from nellyssecurity.com, and older Dahua cams. The Ring wireless doesn’t record 24/7 and needs recharging of batteries. POE while more of a pita to get it setup, is worth it in the long run I believe.
Thanks. Was thinking POE or just wired in general but don’t really wanna drill holes or run a bunch of wires. Home is 2 story so might be more pain to do wired vs wireless.
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What do you mean by "wired?"

PoE, coax, .. ??
Just in general Vs wireless.. I don’t know which is better.
Ahh, I thought you mentioned you already had a wired infrastructure...just wasnt sure what kind.
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Wired ftw. I have the ring 2 wireless doorbell in addition to the 4 POE camera system I made in part from nellyssecurity.com, and older Dahua cams. The Ring wireless doesn’t record 24/7 and needs recharging of batteries. POE while more of a pita to get it setup, is worth it in the long run I believe.
How would you have a wireless doorbell from Ring that needs to recharge the batteries? I helped install a Ring doorbell camera. The camera gets primary power from the doorbell wiring at about 20V. The backup battery for the Ring doorbell camera is installed at the doorbell and charges off the same doorbell power feed.
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Thanks. Was thinking POE or just wired in general but don’t really wanna drill holes or run a bunch of wires. Home is 2 story so might be more pain to do wired vs wireless.
Unless you get battery operated wireless cams, you still have to get power to a wireless camera that does not operate on batteries. If you do run battery operated cameras, you have to remember to replace/recharge the batteries. I think I did see some wireless cameras which have solar panels that are used to recharge the batteries.

But I feel going the route of wireless/battery operated cameras is just a compromise all the way around. I'm not sure how your house is set up, but there are probably ways to run Category cabling without much construction work on your house. If you have siding, you can run the cabling underneath the siding to the desired locations. If your house has a garage with an attic space above, you could run cabling up into the attic space above the garage and then distribute them along the soffit vents to where you need he cameras. I did this for the camera I have monitoring the front door. Ran the cabling along the soffit vent along the garage and mounted the camera directly on the soffit vent.
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Just in general Vs wireless.. I don’t know which is better.
How worried are you about security? Not only is wired more stable it is also more secure.

We had a couple neighbors here have their cars broken into about 15 minutes apart, coincidentally both their ring doorbells were down. That could be mean ring was having trouble with their servers, their cameras both happen to lose signals around that time because of spotty wifi, or the criminals are getting smarter and are starting to jam people's wifi.

Whatever the reason was, a wired IP camera wouldn't have had any of those issues.
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Just in general Vs wireless.. I don’t know which is better.
How worried are you about security? Not only is wired more stable it is also more secure.

We had a couple neighbors here have their cars broken into about 15 minutes apart, coincidentally both their ring doorbells were down. That could be mean ring was having trouble with their servers, their cameras both happen to lose signals around that time because of spotty wifi, or the criminals are getting smarter and are starting to jam people's wifi.

Whatever the reason was, a wired IP camera wouldn't have had any of those issues.
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Thanks. Was thinking POE or just wired in general but don't really wanna drill holes or run a bunch of wires. Home is 2 story so might be more pain to do wired vs wireless.
Unless you get battery operated wireless cams, you still have to get power to a wireless camera that does not operate on batteries. If you do run battery operated cameras, you have to remember to replace/recharge the batteries. I think I did see some wireless cameras which have solar panels that are used to recharge the batteries.

But I feel going the route of wireless/battery operated cameras is just a compromise all the way around. I'm not sure how your house is set up, but there are probably ways to run Category cabling without much construction work on your house. If you have siding, you can run the cabling underneath the siding to the desired locations. If your house has a garage with an attic space above, you could run cabling up into the attic space above the garage and then distribute them along the soffit vents to where you need he cameras. I did this for the camera I have monitoring the front door. Ran the cabling along the soffit vent along the garage and mounted the camera directly on the soffit vent.
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Just in general Vs wireless.. I don't know which is better.
How worried are you about security? Not only is wired more stable it is also more secure.

We had a couple neighbors here have their cars broken into about 15 minutes apart, coincidentally both their ring doorbells were down. That could be mean ring was having trouble with their servers, their cameras both happen to lose signals around that time because of spotty wifi, or the criminals are getting smarter and are starting to jam people's wifi.

Whatever the reason was, a wired IP camera wouldn't have had any of those issues.
Yeah thinking wired is probably best too. Hate having to do with cloud storage, subscriptions and such. I do like some of the spotlight security cameras that companies like Ring offers though. Of course wireless is just easier. I'm not too worried about security but you never know if/when things can get worse. Wireless allows me to check on things when I'm away.
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Unless you get battery operated wireless cams, you still have to get power to a wireless camera that does not operate on batteries. If you do run battery operated cameras, you have to remember to replace/recharge the batteries. I think I did see some wireless cameras which have solar panels that are used to recharge the batteries.
Arlo Pro 2s have a solar option, but it really isn’t a big deal to charge them. You get email alerts when batteries are getting low and I only have needed to charge them every few months since they only record when sound/motion trigger them. The older ones took lithium batteries like the ones for cameras, but moved those to low traffic areas so they last pretty long (12mo or so). You can also check battery levels in the app to see which ones need to be pulled for charging or battery replacement.

Cloud storage of a rolling 7 days is free for up to 5 cameras on an account and you can do archived recording to usb flash storage via the base. They have two way audio so no need for a ring or nest doorbell.

I’m sure overall wired is better for quality/features and reliability overall, but the Arlo system is stupid simple to install, not that expensive, and the app/remote access is convenient. I also like that you can move them wherever you want very easily. I’ve mounted some in unexpected places like trees where they’re not very noticeable. And it’s not Google/Amazon which is also a plus for me.
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How would you have a wireless doorbell from Ring that needs to recharge the batteries? I helped install a Ring doorbell camera. The camera gets primary power from the doorbell wiring at about 20V. The backup battery for the Ring doorbell camera is installed at the doorbell and charges off the same doorbell power feed.
I have the Ring which is not hardwired and runs off a rechargeable battery. Have two batteries so one is always charged and simply swap it out when needed.
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I use some Blink XT2 cameras and my Ring doorbell. For me they have worked well. It has been a year since I put up the cameras and I have not had to replace the batteries yet, however most of them rarely get triggered. I just like how easy they are to setup and I can pretty much stick one anywhere. They also include cloud storage for free. All that being said it's pretty quite here and I've never needed them for anything serious.

You said you already have a wired system so it seems the best bet would be to just upgrade the cameras and what not to a more modern system with higher resolution since you already have the wires ran.
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I have the Ring which is not hardwired and runs off a rechargeable battery. Have two batteries so one is always charged and simply swap it out when needed.
I just don't understand the use case behind a totally unwired door bell camera. I would think the vast majority of homes would have wired door bell.
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I just don't understand the use case behind a totally unwired door bell camera. I would think the vast majority of homes would have wired door bell.
You can wire the ring, we have ours hardwired where the old doorbell was. However I originally ordered it while traveling in our RV. Having it be wireless worked perfectly for the RV and I may just get another for the RV so I don't have to disconnect the one at home if/when we can ever hit the road again.
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I just don't understand the use case behind a totally unwired door bell camera. I would think the vast majority of homes would have wired door bell.
Agreed and we have one but we have shutters on either side of the front door. They have louvers so you can see the door bell but a useless location for the Ring, hence the battery operated Ring. It functions just fine and I swap batteries every couple months.
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I use some Blink XT2 cameras and my Ring doorbell. For me they have worked well. It has been a year since I put up the cameras and I have not had to replace the batteries yet, however most of them rarely get triggered. I just like how easy they are to setup and I can pretty much stick one anywhere. They also include cloud storage for free. All that being said it's pretty quite here and I've never needed them for anything serious.

You said you already have a wired system so it seems the best bet would be to just upgrade the cameras and what not to a more modern system with higher resolution since you already have the wires ran.
Right now it’s wired and system is in garage. If I want to bring it inside to living room or upstairs I have to run wires again. That’s the main reason I’m looking at wireless. If I go with wireless I’ll get Eufy. Reviews seem to be better than Arlo Pro 2 and they’re cheaper too. No cloud recording and everything is on SD card.
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You can wire the ring, we have ours hardwired where the old doorbell was. However I originally ordered it while traveling in our RV. Having it be wireless worked perfectly for the RV and I may just get another for the RV so I don't have to disconnect the one at home if/when we can ever hit the road again.
Yep. I helped a girl I was dating install her Ring door bell camera. So I'm very familiar with the setup process.

Your use case makes sense. But I was thinking of someone installing this on their home which I assume to be some sort of structure. I actually thought of another use case for a totally wireless setup as I was typing this reply. I guess if you're living in an apartment or condo would require you to go full wireless.
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Right now it’s wired and system is in garage. If I want to bring it inside to living room or upstairs I have to run wires again. That’s the main reason I’m looking at wireless. If I go with wireless I’ll get Eufy. Reviews seem to be better than Arlo Pro 2 and they’re cheaper too. No cloud recording and everything is on SD card.
When you say bring the system inside, are you saying you want to put cameras up inside your home in various rooms?
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When you say bring the system inside, are you saying you want to put cameras up inside your home in various rooms?
No, I meant bring the base and monitor into the living room or upstairs. That means drilling holes to run wires further into the house vs the garage right now. I have wireless interior cameras.
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No, I meant bring the base and monitor into the living room or upstairs. That means drilling holes to run wires further into the house vs the garage right now. I have wireless interior cameras.
Why would you want to move that from the garage? I don't know much about wired systems, but I would imagine they let you monitor from your phone or computer just like the wireless one so doesn't seem there would be much need to access the stuff in the garage that often no?
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Why would you want to move that from the garage? I don't know much about wired systems, but I would imagine they let you monitor from your phone or computer just like the wireless one so doesn't seem there would be much need to access the stuff in the garage that often no?
This setup is 8 years old so don’t know if I can even hook up to router and check online. The new system, whatever it will be, will need to be able to connect wirelessly to router.
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I just don't understand the use case behind a totally unwired door bell camera. I would think the vast majority of homes would have wired door bell.
Sadly ours doesn’t - doorbell isn’t wired for power and the button was just battery powered. Even worse, when we bought the house and moved in, I discovered they’d taken the base/chime down when they’d painted it getting it ready for sale and never put it back. Had to go get one and a new button - simple to do with the night light/chime plug in base and battery powered button.
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I just don't understand the use case behind a totally unwired door bell camera. I would think the vast majority of homes would have wired door bell.
Yes, mine did. But years ago during renovation I ripped the old frail wires out and just went with a wireless door chime. It was a pos and would ring when my neighbors had a visitor. In retrospect I should have run a new wire but hindsight is always 20/20.
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