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Carbotech XP12s are $251 for the front set. Just got mine today (I was going to beat up on the stock pads before swapping rotors, but I'll give this a try). Will try them out on Friday at Limerock.
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Lucid, please let me know what you think. Lime Rock is sort of like the tracks I normally run (BeaveRun, Mid-Ohio). However, I'll be at VIR in a month, and I'm trying to get wheels/tires and brakes by then.
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OK. This is my 4th set on the car, after XP10s (or maybe they were XP8s--can't remember), RS19s, and HT10s. HT10s were a disaster and should be avoided at all costs IMO.
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So who is the best source for performance pads for our M3s, especially the Pagids? I googled Pagid w/ and w/o e92 and came up with mostly Porsche tuners. The two Bimmer tuners didn't even list them for the e92 (Bimmerworld and another one I forget). Too many new flavors of Hawks confuses me. I am skeptical about the Carbotechs based on experience and what I've read here so far.
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Wow, after reading through all the comments I am amazed that you get such short longevity out of your pads. I have not seriously tracked my E92 yet, so perhaps I am in for a surprise. My current track car, (3420 lbs with me in it and 1/2 tank of gas), using Hawk Gold H10s on M5 brakes last me all season, about 12 to 14 VIR track days, 4 sessions each, and even at that, they are only about 80 percent used. I replace rotors when I replace pads, although they too are in fair shape and have time left on them.
I assume the XP12 carbotech pads install on stock calipers/rotors? Same true for the Pagid RS19? Appreciate the help. vz
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Yes.
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no need to turn rotors - you could get some shimmy from old pad deposit against new, but it will go away very soon on the track.
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FWIW, I did my first track event last month. I had installed Pagid RS19s after reading comments on the board (thanks again to Lucid for the extensive DIY!). I did not turn my rotors as the car was new (3k miles) and the rotors had no signs of grooves. I did bed them in.
After about 60 laps (4 sessions x 15 laps per) around Laguna Seca I have to say that the M3's brakes are more than adequate and I don't see any need for a BBK. Also $750 for the pads is brutal but they worked flawlessly for me and I would highly recommend them. The only downsides are they squeak like hell on the street and generate a lot of dust. |
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Turner Motorsports just shipped me front & rear me Pagid RS19 pads. They had been sold out.
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I am interested to see how Lucid makes out with those Carbotechs. I don't have a problem spending the money for the Pagids if that's the way to go, but as a beginner I doubt that I would be able to tell much of a difference. So why waste the money if I don't have to?
I would love to run around the Glen like Mark did, but 99.9% of what made him faster was talent not the RS19's or the R-compound tires.
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I just ordered XP12 yesterday and will track the car in Mosport, Ontario, Canada on June 6 and 7. I'll let you know how it feels compared to the OEM ones.
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XP12s worked out really well. Ended up using 50% of them in 2 hours. Slightly more grabby than the RS19s. No fade issues. They are harder on the rotors than the RS19s though. I wouldn't recommend them to a beginner on stock tires.
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50% in two hours, is that more or less life than the Pagid RS19s?
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Hard to answer. I am trying to figure out what happened out there today--if I was going faster or not with the Dinan setup. And I don't have a data logger, so it's not easy to say. My guess is RS19s had less wear, but we had less track time at the NASA event I used them, more like 1.5 hours I think. As I said, the significant difference seems to be rotor wear. I'll post a Limerock report soon.
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Thanks Lucid.
For a intermediate driver who will start this year to run r-comp would you recommand XP10 before XP12? What differences have you found between XP10 and XP12? Looking forward to your post on Limerock... Thanks, Vince |
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