335i will have 3.5L I6 NA engine

technik · 02-03-2006, 03:55 AM

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Originally Posted by hunter399

Why would you want a turbo if the car can make the same without one?

If modding is not for you, then I agree...NA is the way to go. But for those that like to play with their engines, you just can't beat forced induction.

Booster · 02-03-2006, 06:39 AM

This is why turbos are fun...

My buddy has a stage 3+ kit in his car. Made by APR. Stock the car was 180 crank HP. With the kit, he just recently put down over 320 Wheel horsepower... Check out the fun!!

Well worth the watch..
http://devel.emalat.net/video/z0650mb.wmv

F32Fleet · 02-03-2006, 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Tine

In US only. With 3300 - 3400cc displacement. 310HP.

Europe will get a N54 turbo engine though.

My primary BMW source told me so. BMW wanted to introduce the turbo also in US, but focus groups in US showed BMW prospects did not want turbo engine - so they went and developed 3.5L engine from current I6 N52 engine. Costs were enormous. Some heads were axed among development managers.

I was wrong again! Misled by f...ing Scott.

Ask SpeedFreak for more - he has more accurate info.

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I would guess Focus Groups = US Dealerships.

This is a total disappointment. So BMW is rolling out a 3.5 liter making only 310 hp! Ne1 else see a problem with this since the 3.2l in the E46M3 makes about 333 hp (US)? My god, if this thing is high revving I pray it doesn't have the same bearing issues as the 3.2liter!

What amazes me, is the the technology for adding a turbo to the current 3.0 liter is already there in the parts bin. Why BMW would go through th cost of developing a larger displacement engine just doesn't make sense. And I agree with those of you that say the emission issue is

. AMG cars are ALL F/I and you don't see MB getting rid of those anytime soon do ya? To think I was going to wait for the 335.

You (blanked) up big time BMWNA !!!
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lux.sh · 02-03-2006, 07:12 AM

I wanted turbo also. damn it. 310hp N/A and 310hp F/I might sound like N/A has advantage here as far as natural characteristic goes, but when modding begins.. Good bye N/A.

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Originally Posted by technik

If modding is not for you, then I agree...NA is the way to go. But for those that like to play with their engines, you just can't beat forced induction.

Exactly. No replacement for displacement. In this equation, only thing that can help is forced induction department. Technik, are you the famous team who built that "330ii" and hardtop Z4 coupe?

RichP · 02-03-2006, 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by lux.sh

I wanted turbo also. damn it. 310hp N/A and 310hp F/I might sound like N/A has advantage here as far as natural characteristic goes, but when modding begins.. Good bye N/A.

Exactly. No replacement for displacement. In this equation, only thing that can help is forced induction department. Technik, are you the famous team who built that "330ii" and hardtop Z4 coupe?

Yes, yes he is. 330ii, the widebody Z4, and some other special "projects"

This, if true, is pretty disappointing. I am really suprised BMW would go to the lengths of developing a special motor for this market, although..

-we are the largest market
-we have different emissions issues, which BMW is not the best at dealing with
-we have taxes and such NOT based on displacement, like europe. (I am assuming this is still true) We also dont have the fuel economy issues as severe as europe. An NA motor, for this market, may make more sense for BMW. Factor in thay they KNOW we will be tinkering with them, breaking things, and trying to pass it through warranty, maybe the 3.5NA is the logical solution.

noflash · 02-03-2006, 07:32 AM

Well, thank god the debate is over.

Tine, as stubborn as your grandstanding was before, you accept your mistake with grace. Think BMW was feeding you misinformation to get us into a frenzy over the whole thing?

On the plus side, now we can add forced induction to the car ourselves.

JackMac · 02-03-2006, 07:32 AM

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Booster · 02-03-2006, 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by noflash

Well, thank god the debate is over.

Tine, as stubborn as your grandstanding was before, you accept your mistake with grace. Think BMW was feeding you misinformation to get us into a frenzy over the whole thing?

On the plus side, now we can add forced induction to the car ourselves.

YAY... let's add forced induction...

Lets see... near $1000 for a cold air intake that provides 2hp and a little "woosh"

Turbo kit... Hmmm... I am going to guess $20k...

Hello new M3

deadfresh · 02-03-2006, 07:38 AM

Car companies do not care about misinformation and speculation. I could post inaccurate pics of the e92 all day and claim they where official but the second I post an actual picture you better believe BMW would try to seek me out. Same thing with information. The second I start posting quotes and details from a document which is not for public disclosure as of yet what do you think will happen? What would you do in this situation?

International Car Manufacturer > You

International Car Manufacturer Lawyers > You

International Car Manufacturers Revenue > You

Think about it! What would you do. Answer this question and put the pieces together yourself.

F32Fleet · 02-03-2006, 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by deadfresh

everybody think about this post for a min... and ask yourself what is wrong and who is missing... Thats all I am going to say.

Think it was safe to say one has info for the "US" and the other for "the rest of the world".

deadfresh · 02-03-2006, 08:27 AM

Also keep in mind SpeedFreak has not really been posting information as of late. Although I don't think it was for the reasons listed above but rather because of the fact that he has received confimation that his info is indeed incorrect.

but then again I could be wrong LOL

Tine · 02-03-2006, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by SpeedFreak!

My sources are saying that we will be getting an I6 with 3300-3400+cc displacement... BMW calling it a 3.5L with 310hp. NO Turbo for the US market now... although it was planned for the US market... it has been put on hold until further notice.

Do not forget that that US engine will be a 3.5L having 3300-3400+cc displacement.

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That's like saying a 1 gallon bottle has a 120-125+ fl ounces displacement.

1 gal = 128 fl oz.
1 litre = 1000cc

SteveMD · 02-03-2006, 09:54 AM

Yup and I'd love the 1 series over here.

LIKEWATER · 02-03-2006, 10:31 AM

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Bimmer_2 · 02-03-2006, 11:12 AM

Will the 350i replaced the 330i or both versions will be available in US? What is the estimated price increase on the 350i model? Any info will be appreciated. Thanks.

noflash · 02-03-2006, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Bimmer_2

Will the 350i replaced the 330i or both versions will be available in US? What is the estimated price increase on the 350i model? Any info will be appreciated. Thanks.

335i not 350i (although that'd be nice).

shragon · 02-03-2006, 11:17 AM

interesting info. guess we'll see.

voltron1011 · 02-03-2006, 12:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Booster

This is why turbos are fun...

My buddy has a stage 3+ kit in his car. Made by APR. Stock the car was 180 crank HP. With the kit, he just recently put down over 320 Wheel horsepower... Check out the fun!!

Well worth the watch..
http://devel.emalat.net/video/z0650mb.wmv

Turbo tuning is really fun until you have to rebuild the motor. I did the same thing 14 years ago with my Eclipse GSX. I had a great time with my 230 reliable horspower (no pinging). It sucked when my rings finally gave out at 110,000 miles and the engine was leaking out of every seal.

BMW F22 · 02-03-2006, 01:09 PM

why do people want turbo??? that's something I really dont get. Remember I said "I doubt the new 335 will be turbo-ed"??? I mentioned that the Supra and all the previously turbo sports car/coupes had troubles. Insurance was way too high it wasnt worth it. THe market shares for those cars were low. Why do you think Nissan came out with a non-turbo 350Z???? I too like the sound of turbocharged engines, but I'd rather epick a 3.5L NA engine over a turbo one.

F32Fleet · 02-03-2006, 01:35 PM

I bet base price will be $42k.

3aficionado · 02-03-2006, 01:47 PM

If the 335 will be NA engine I think the lineup in the US will be 328/335. The 3.5L 335 will be too close (except HP) to the 330 to keep the 330 around. The 325 becomes 328 with the power of a 330. A 335 is introduced with a minor price increase (like the up-line move of e46 changes). My guess is a base 335 price will be under $40K.

What do people think the US lineup will be? In the past some have said 328/335 and 325/330/335.

F32Fleet · 02-03-2006, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by 3aficionado

If the 335 will be NA engine I think the lineup in the US will be 328/335. The 3.5L 335 will be too close (except HP) to the 330 to keep the 330 around. The 325 becomes 328 with the power of a 330. A 335 is introduced with a minor price increase (like the up-line move of e46 changes). My guess is a base 335 price will be under $40K.

What do people think the US lineup will be? In the past some have said 328/335 and 325/330/335.

I'll guess.

All E92's release as 325 and 335

E90's will be tricky since they'll have to sell all the 330's currently in production/built. My guess is that they'll either have to discount the 330's or raise the 335 base to over $43k (5k differ between 255hp and 310 hp).

The 325 will be replaced with the 328 moniker for both the E90 and E92 about 9 mo's after the E92 is released.

As with the E46 coupe, look for the E92 to be priced a couple of grand more than the sedan.

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