[hoodoo]

hi guys
I lived in Montreal Quebec Canada so winter here is cold and a lot of snow. winter tires are a must and it is the law from dec15 to march15 .my question is does bmw recommended to rotate the tires
when is time to put back summer or winters tires?

[ttimbo]

I rotate every 10,000km

[Millie]

Originally Posted by hoodoo

.my question is does bmw recommended to rotate the tires
when is time to put back summer or winters tires?

what?

[bimmerdriver2]

Originally Posted by hoodoo

hi guys
I lived in Montreal Quebec Canada so winter here is cold and a lot of snow. winter tires are a must and it is the law from dec15 to march15 .my question is does bmw recommended to rotate the tires
when is time to put back summer or winters tires?

Swap front and rear in pairs. I put tires with the most tread on the front, since the front wear the most on FWD vehicles.

[oakey46]

Originally Posted by bimmerdriver2

Swap front and rear in pairs. I put tires with the most tread on the front, since the front wear the most on FWD vehicles.

The general advice is to have your deepest tread tyres on the rear wheels, because that is the most likely to avoid potentially dangerous oversteer from the front end. Having said that, I wonder if it would apply if there is minimum difference in tread depths. Seek your BMW dealer recommendation too.

[ttimbo]

Originally Posted by oakey46

The general advice is to have your deepest tread tyres on the rear wheels, because that is the most likely to avoid potentially dangerous oversteer from the front end. Having said that, I wonder if it would apply if there is minimum difference in tread depths. Seek your BMW dealer recommendation too.

On an AWD car like the X1, it is recommended you keep wear pretty even

[bimmerdriver2]

Originally Posted by oakey46

The general advice is to have your deepest tread tyres on the rear wheels, because that is the most likely to avoid potentially dangerous oversteer from the front end. Having said that, I wonder if it would apply if there is minimum difference in tread depths. Seek your BMW dealer recommendation too.

If you do this for a FWD or AWD vehicle, you will never rotate your tires, because the front tires wear faster than the rear tire. It's nonsensical.

[ttimbo]

Originally Posted by bimmerdriver2

If you do this for a FWD or AWD vehicle, you will never rotate your tires, because the front tires wear faster than the rear tire. It's nonsensical.

Indeed, it is nonsensical — oversteer is when the rear end loses grip. In a FWD-biased AWD like the F48 X1, understeer is more likely. Best to keep treadwear/depth fairly equal at both ends

[oakey46]

Suggest this is a worthwhile read as it effectively dispels most myths about putting new tyres on the front wheels only:https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tiret....jsp?techid=52
There are many other sites, including those of tyre manufacturers, that reach the same conclusion. Just do a search!

[ttimbo]

Originally Posted by oakey46

Suggest this is a worthwhile read as it effectively dispels most myths about putting new tyres on the front wheels only:https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tiret....jsp?techid=52
There are many other sites, including those of tyre manufacturers, that reach the same conclusion. Just do a search!

And nothing in that, or other technical articles I've read, is contrary to my statement that it's best to keep tyre wear even at both ends.

On an AWD car, all manufacturers advise this and suggest tyres are replaced as a full set.

[iatik]

I have a X1 20i X-drive from April 2019. I asked the dealer about the rotation he suggested not to do it as it will cause vibration during the drive.

[ttimbo]

Originally Posted by iatik

I have a X1 20i X-drive from April 2019. I asked the dealer about the rotation he suggested not to do it as it will cause vibration during the drive.

Who? A BMW dealer? That's contrary to the tech advice my dealer has. They do it each service if it has not been done before. As always, wheel balance should be checked. No vibration issues.

The other point is that many BMW dealers are more familiar dealing with larger X models, not the FWD-based X1. These X models — RWD-based — typically have staggered fitment, which typically have staggered fitments and obviously can't be rotated.

[bimmerdriver2]

Originally Posted by oakey46

Suggest this is a worthwhile read as it effectively dispels most myths about putting new tyres on the front wheels only:https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tiret....jsp?techid=52
There are many other sites, including those of tyre manufacturers, that reach the same conclusion. Just do a search!

What I'm saying in this post applies to FWD or FWD/AWD vehicles, not RWD or RWD/AWD vehicles.

Tire Rack is encouraging people to change tires in a complete set. This should not be a surprise.

Tire Rack is encouraging people to mount tires to reinforce understeer. This should not be a surprise.

On FWD or FWD/AWD vehicles, the front tires wear more rapidly. Does anyone dispute this? I didn't think so.

If you follow the nonsensical instructions to keep tires with more tread on the rear, you will never rotate your tires, because the rear tires will always have more tread. The only way to ensure that the tires wear as a set is to rotate them in pairs front <-> rear so the tires with more tread are on the front. That way, you actually will end up rotating the tires, because it won't take long for the front tires to wear down more than the rear.

I hope it's obvious that a few other common sense "rules" also apply. That is, when your tire treads wear down close to the wear bars, you should expect them to perform worse in wet conditions and you should also be preparing to replace them. Also, it's never a good idea to have a pair of almost worn out tires and a pair of new tires. At this point, it's better to replace both pairs. If you followed the rule to keep the least worn tires on the front, you will never have this problem, anyway. (At least not unless a tire has to be replaced due to a puncture or other damage.)

[calvol]

I'm going to rotate my wife's 2017 X1 S-drive at 10,000 miles... the front treads are already worn about twice as much as that of the rears... I'm going to rotate fronts to opposite rears and rears to same-side front.

[bimmerdriver2]

Anyone who wants to take care of their tires should have a proper tread depth gauge. They are available from lots of places online and they are not expensive.

[oakey46]

Originally Posted by bimmerdriver2

Anyone who wants to take care of their tires should have a proper tread depth gauge. They are available from lots of places online and they are not expensive.

A sensible suggestion. Thanks
As it so happens, I've recently fitted my set of dealer supplied winter wheels/tyres with just over 8K miles on the clock of my X1. When removing the standard 18" summer wheel set I marked on the inside centre, where each wheels sits against the hub, to which side and F/R it had been fitted. When I refit those wheels around Late Feb/March 2019 I shall ensure the front/rear are reversed, taking heed of any directional requirement. At switchover there was only just over 1mm between tread depths front to back, which I regard as a minimal difference. I shall make the same marking regime on the winter wheels when they come off, ready for winter 2019.
From my perspective, having bought the winter wheel set at a very good price, it should effectively just about double the life of my summer tyres, thus covering the cost of the winter wheels. That's what I did on my Audi Q3 and was able to sell the winter set when I moved to the X1 as they were still within the tread/age limits.

[beemmeup6]

I was appalled to be told at first service that my X1’s Bridgestone front RFs were down to 3mm after only 11500 miles (rears 5mm). My first reaction was to rotate wheels but my local tyre fitter pursed his lips and said rotation was inadvisable because of a) they’re RFs, and b) that rotation might mess up BM’s TPMS. After reading this thread, that seems like poppycock. Anyone else heard or experienced this?

[ttimbo]

Yep...poppycock!

[oakey46]

Originally Posted by ttimbo

Yep...poppycock!

You can reset the TPMS to whatever tyre pressure you inflate to via the iDrive Vehicle Settings. You have to be able to do that because different pressures, according to the load/number of people in the car, are shown on the tyre inflation 'sticker' inside the door 'B' pillar on the driver side. So yes, the advice you were given is nonsense!
Once you set the pressures on TPMS it takes a short drive of around a couple of miles for the new pressures to be stored in the system.

[beemmeup6]

Thanks guys...I’ll find a new tyre fitter!!

[CliveL]

And just to be clear, moving wheels (and their attached TPMS sensors) from one axle to another won't mess up the TPMS system. I had my front wheels (and tyres) moved to the rear when I had new tyres fitted on the other two wheels, which moved from back to front.

I'm guessing the transmitters in the wheels are "universal" in terms of their positioning, and it's the "receiver" somewhere in or around the wheel arch that determines the location of the TPMS readings.

[beemmeup6]

And just one other question...on the X1, do you recommend the rotation should be diagonal, ie rear offside to front nearside and rear nearside to front offside? Or what...? Thanks.