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      11-15-2018, 01:33 PM   #23
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Has anyone seen if it will be available for already purchased vehicles. I got my 2019my 430 last week. Would be a bummer to miss it by a few weeks.
It will probably only be available with newer iDrive 7 equipped models (X5, X7, etc.)
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Does this not work on iPhone?
No it does not and that is due strictly to Apple and Apple's decision not to make this tech available on the iPhone for public use yet. Nothing to do with BMW.
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Could this work for the f30
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The same technology works with the iPhone and Tesla model 3. So, it should be able to work on the iPhone?
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The same technology works with the iPhone and Tesla model 3. So, it should be able to work on the iPhone?
No, Tesla does not use NFC which is restricted by Apple. Tesla uses Bluetooth. BMW could have used Bluetooth too but they chose NFC which is currently not possible for us iPhone users.
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The NFC spec provides for remote wireless power of the NFC chip. It almost certain this will work with a phone with a dead battery in a similar fashion the card key does.

I am still trying to figure out when apple and bmw will make this work . Apple has the technology inside the iPhone it uses for the applepay .

Since I suppose a lot of BMW drivers own an iPhone, I am wondering why and above all when will they make the digital key work.

Any insiders?????
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So let me get this straight:

- This Digital Key feature works via NFC only.
- Because it's NFC-based, it does not work on Apple devices.
- Because it's NFC-based, it only works on Android (what about Blackberry?) devices.
- BMW infotainment continues to favor Apple devices at the significant expense of Android devices.

So basically you need two phones using two completely divergent OSs to take full advantage of a BMW's electronic doodads.

Wha-whaaaa?

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So let me get this straight:

- This Digital Key feature works via NFC only.
- Because it's NFC-based, it does not work on Apple devices.
Yes, because of Apple not allowing NFC in their phones, nothing to do with BMW.

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- Because it's NFC-based, it only works on Android (what about Blackberry?) devices.
- BMW infotainment continues to favor Apple devices at the significant expense of Android devices.

So basically you need two phones using two completely divergent OSs to take full advantage of a BMW's electronic doodads.

Wha-whaaaa?

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BMW's refusal to use Android Auto is because it is susceptible to hacking, and they don't want to share their vehicle/user data with Google, which Google requires. BMW is protecting their owners privacy. Other brands aren't, so if that's paramount to you, then you don't need two phones, you're free to switch cars.
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There are a lot of requirements to making this digital key work.

It will only work with some Android phones.

If you have verizon wireless as a carrier, it wont work at all.

In order to share keys, at first, both you and the person you would like to share with have to be in that car together to send a digital key.
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Would this allow me to leave the car running in a parking lot with the AC on and doors locked?
It's already against the law in most of not all locales
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Yes, because of Apple not allowing NFC in their phones, nothing to do with BMW.
Maybe not, but the average consumer doesn't give a whit about who's to blame for technical compatibility issues.

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BMW's refusal to use Android Auto is because it is susceptible to hacking, and they don't want to share their vehicle/user data with Google, which Google requires. BMW is protecting their owners privacy. Other brands aren't, so if that's paramount to you, then you don't need two phones, you're free to switch cars.
That's hooey. iOS is susceptible, too. Every platform is susceptible. Besides: If Android is so susceptible in comparison, why is the take rate among consumers comparable to iOS? Do Android users just 'do without' contemporary functions that require high levels of encryption such as mobile pay and password storage? :: laughs ::

BMW isn't protecting owner privacy; it's protecting its own, at the expense of potential owner satisfaction. BMW has a long history of this.

Oh, and other brands are protecting owner's privacy. For instance, the brand I now drive (Porsche) rejected Google integration via Android Auto for precisely the reasons you state. Here's an article on The Verge about it from 2015. Furthermore, Porsche does not install conventional Event Data Recorders in its cars, primarily to protect owners rights regarding operation.

So I repeat: Wha-whaaaa?
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So I guess iDrive 6 cannot be upgrade to iDrive 7 to use the Digital Key. That is frustrating, I have a 2018 M2 (less than a year old) and I cannot take advantage of this. Sad part is, I would bet it could work, but BMW just doesn't permit that to occur.
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So I guess iDrive 6 cannot be upgrade to iDrive 7 to use the Digital Key. That is frustrating, I have a 2018 M2 (less than a year old) and I cannot take advantage of this. Sad part is, I would bet it could work, but BMW just doesn't permit that to occur.
It may require some additional Bluetooth hardware to allow remote start. But it is true that they should allow upgrading if possible. I like the new I drive but not much has changed really from what I have except entering an address and launching navigation has fewer steps than before.
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That's hooey. iOS is susceptible, too. Every platform is susceptible. Besides: If Android is so susceptible in comparison, why is the take rate among consumers comparable to iOS? Do Android users just 'do without' contemporary functions that require high levels of encryption such as mobile pay and password storage? :: laughs ::

BMW isn't protecting owner privacy; it's protecting its own, at the expense of potential owner satisfaction. BMW has a long history of this.

Oh, and other brands are protecting owner's privacy. For instance, the brand I now drive (Porsche) rejected Google integration via Android Auto for precisely the reasons you state. Here's an article on The Verge about it from 2015. Furthermore, Porsche does not install conventional Event Data Recorders in its cars, primarily to protect owners rights regarding operation.

So I repeat: Wha-whaaaa?
So you provided a link that says Porsche refuses to integrate Android Auto for the same reason BMW says it won't integrate Android Auto, and yet you're applauding Porsche for doing so, while belittling BMW for it for the same reason. That makes no sense. But it's par for the course in these forums.

I guess it's my turn to ask: Wha-whaaaa?
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been waiting ages for this function. I've always wanted to carry just my phone for everything. Slowly getting there in the last few years.

After 10 years of iOS I now use a note 8 as my daily driver and I actually find the integration with idrive so much better. I can read and send sms using just the voice control button on the steering wheel. NB I did have to do some coding so that I can use whilst driving.

I can leave my wallet at home as the majority of my debit/credit cards work with the note 8.

My phone can open my front door lock.

So the last piece of the puzzle is having my phone as a car key.

It's so handy to just grab only your phone as you head out.
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It's not about privacy - there was in interview in Roundel with someone in BMW who was in charge of the infotainment - he stated that the company felt Android was not a premium experience therefore would be be a focus for integration. Which is an asinine statement to refer to Apple IOS as premium.

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BMW's refusal to use Android Auto is because it is susceptible to hacking, and they don't want to share their vehicle/user data with Google, which Google requires. BMW is protecting their owners privacy. Other brands aren't, so if that's paramount to you, then you don't need two phones, you're free to switch cars.
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So let me get this straight:

- This Digital Key feature works via NFC only.
- Because it's NFC-based, it does not work on Apple devices.
Yes, because of Apple not allowing NFC in their phones, nothing to do with BMW.

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Originally Posted by Viffermike View Post
- Because it's NFC-based, it only works on Android (what about Blackberry?) devices.
- BMW infotainment continues to favor Apple devices at the significant expense of Android devices.

So basically you need two phones using two completely divergent OSs to take full advantage of a BMW's electronic doodads.

Wha-whaaaa?

#FAIL
BMW's refusal to use Android Auto is because it is susceptible to hacking, and they don't want to share their vehicle/user data with Google, which Google requires. BMW is protecting their owners privacy. Other brands aren't, so if that's paramount to you, then you don't need two phones, you're free to switch cars.
So if they're not permitting NFC, how does Apple Pay work when a customer taps their iPhone on a pinpad?

Or is that only in Canada. Speaking as a retailer, we accept Apple Pay & Google Pay, both transactions require the iPhone or Android phone to have NFC enabled.

And no, pinpads don't support BT for obvious security reasons.

So NFC for iPhones only works on Canada then?
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newer iphones do have NFC but apple has limited the functionality. supposedly this is soon to be remedied or has been just been...
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If this will finally provide remote-start functionality, then I'm interested. Otherwise, I'm not really sure what else this provides other than leaving the key at home and hoping to god that my iPhone doesn't break during a trip....
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Good luck, hope it works better than the Mercedes Me app, which is awful...check out the ratings. A key fob is much easier, especially for remote start. It does look like BMW will still provide a traditional key.

It also is quite ironic this will only work with Android, yet Android Auto isn't available in BMWs. And wait until BMW starts charging an annual fee for this new feature, like CarPlay.
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