Loaded M4 vs. base Porsche 911 (991 3.4L Carrera)

Needsdecaf · 01-23-2014, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by solstice

Maybe I had to many BMWs and likely my lifelong infatuation with the 911 play a major role but when I see, hear, sit in and mainly drive the 991 ( any 991 ) I get this deafening loud voice in my head "I WANT IT!!!". The F8X is a more subdued voice this far "It seems rather nice" kind of thing. I.e if I could fit the kids safely and comfortably in the 991 I'd stretch the extra $30k. Not saying that it's a better car but it ticks all my boxes and that's what matters in the end.

I stared at the back of a 991 cab yesterday for a long, long, long time, and decided that guantanamo offers better accommodations for my two small children.

I then went out and drove a Panamera turbo and thought....why would I need a 911? My next thought was...exactly when does the Pajun come out? Dammit!

solstice · 01-23-2014, 03:03 PM

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I stared at the back of a 991 cab yesterday for a long, long, long time, and decided that guantanamo offers better accommodations for my two small children.

I then went out and drove a Panamera turbo and thought....why would I need a 911? My next thought was...exactly when does the Pajun come out? Dammit!

Yes, I can't tell you how much I'm looking forward to that car. The Panny is great but to me it's just too big. The dynamics hide most of it's size but the sheer witdth of the front framed by the pontone style fenders just make it look too big from the driver seat which I don't like. The Pajun should be just perfect.

Needsdecaf · 01-23-2014, 03:05 PM

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Yes, I can't tell you how much I'm looking forward to that car. The Panny is great but to me it's just too big. The dynamics hide most of it's size but the sheer witdth of the front framed by the pontone style fenders just make it look too big from the driver seat which I don't like. The Pajun should be just perfect.

Ironically, for me, the F10 looked far, far bigger from the driver's seat. I didn't think it was all that bad. Of course, your DD is about a foot narrower than mine.

Seriously, if the Panny weren't so damn expensive or (less of a reason) so hunchbacked, it truly would be the perfect car for me.

PawnStar · 01-23-2014, 05:12 PM

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Because in order to get an M4 to $85k you have to, as you said, option it up with a ton of options.

So what you are trying to do is compare a loaded up M4, to the negotiated price on a stripper 991.

Where's the disconnect here? Face it, your argument is dumb.

There's no argument here, just a forum thread soliciting feedback from other forum participants. Title of the thread is self explanatory. If you do, however, see an argument or trying to have one, you're in the wrong place. I suggest maybe switching to decaf...

karbonphiber · 01-23-2014, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by PawnStar

There's no argument here, just a forum thread soliciting feedback from other forum participants. Title of the thread is self explanatory. If you do, however, see an argument or trying to have one, you're in the wrong place. I suggest maybe switching to decaf...

Needsdecaf · 01-23-2014, 05:17 PM

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There's no argument here, just a forum thread soliciting feedback from other forum participants. Title of the thread is self explanatory. If you do, however, see an argument or trying to have one, you're in the wrong place. I suggest maybe switching to decaf...

Keep trying. You're not succeeding.

I'm not the one who's arguing. Everyone agrees with me. The title is self-explanatory, and everyone agrees that you would not have the cars at the same price even remotely the same.

Even with PDK, metallic and PTV and NO OTHER OPTIONS, you're still well over $90k. So now with your 10% discount, you're mid-80's for a blown out M4 or high $80's for a stripper 991.

If you really worshipped at the alter of Stuttgart that much, then sure, maybe. But I think about 1 in 1,000,000 people would follow that logic or see the value.

PawnStar · 01-23-2014, 05:29 PM

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I'm not the one who's arguing. Everyone agrees with me.

My bad, I didn't know...

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The title is self-explanatory, and everyone agrees that you would not have the cars at the same price even remotely the same.

not 100% sure what you just wrote, but clearly you're right...

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Even with PDK, metallic and PTV and NO OTHER OPTIONS, you're still well over $90k. So now with your 10% discount, you're mid-80's for a blown out M4 or high $80's for a stripper 991.

right...

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If you really worshipped at the alter of Stuttgart that much, then sure, maybe. But I think about 1 in 1,000,000 people would follow that logic or see the value.

not 100% again, but I'm sure this makes sense too...

but seriously, dude, lighten up, it's just 'nother comparo, any self respectin' petrolhead gotta compare stuff to some other stuff...daily......

Jockey · 01-23-2014, 05:29 PM

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But I think about 1 in 1,000,000 people would follow that logic or see the value.

You're debating with that 1

Needsdecaf · 01-23-2014, 05:35 PM

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But I think about 1 in 1,000,000 people would follow that logic or see the value.

You're debating with that 1

Yup. I'm out peace.

Tonymiabmw · 01-23-2014, 05:39 PM

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You're debating with that 1

Agreed, not a "value car" nothing about a Porsche or M car is "value"
If you want value get a Nissan GTR!

PawnStar · 01-23-2014, 05:46 PM

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Agreed, not a "value car" nothing about a Porsche or M car is "value"
If you want value get a Nissan GTR!

Yep, when I think value, I think GTR! MY2015 is out already, can't wait for a four way comparo between M4 / GTR / 911 C2S / Z06

JustChris · 01-23-2014, 05:50 PM

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They're not exactly comparable in price. The M4 starts at $64,200 and the 991 starts at $84,300. You're trying to compare a heavily optioned M4 to a base 991. If someone is going to add DCT, ceramic brakes, full leather, executive package, etc. to the M4, then surely they would want the same features in the Porsche. A similarly optioned 991 would cost well over $105k.

Exactly this...

Tonymiabmw · 01-23-2014, 05:51 PM

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Agreed, not a "value car" nothing about a Porsche or M car is "value"
If you want value get a Nissan GTR!

I was going with Versa...but GTR is nice too...

Well if we are talking performance bang for the buck it has to go to GTR. Porsche and BMW have kinda the same view of a car and that is balance. Defiantly can't say that about AMG. Their solution is wow the buyer or reviewer with 600hp. Seems like AMGs take is to throw more horsepower at a car and buyers will forget about the rest lol.

Tonymiabmw · 01-23-2014, 05:53 PM

The car everyone is raving about at the moment is the new GT3, absolutely a incredible machine!

Jockey · 01-23-2014, 05:56 PM

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The car everyone is raving about at the moment is the new GT3, absolutely a incredible machine!

Well when weren't "they" raving about the GT3?

Tonymiabmw · 01-23-2014, 05:57 PM

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The car everyone is raving about at the moment is the new GT3, absolutely a incredible machine!

Well when weren't "they" raving about the GT3?

True but new one, with new tranny and rear wheel steering is supposed to really bring this car to the next level.
Can't wait for my bro to get his.

Jockey · 01-23-2014, 05:59 PM

And it starts at $130k. It better be pretty incredible at that price.

Tonymiabmw · 01-23-2014, 06:03 PM

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And it starts at $130k. It better be pretty incredible at that price.

Idk look at the worlds biggest POS in my opinion the Ferrari California 180k, the GT3 smokes it. GT3 really not that expensive when you think about what you are getting, plus if you get one now you could easily sell it 15k above msrp.

Sedan_Clan · 01-23-2014, 06:04 PM

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Yep, when I think value, I think GTR! MY2015 is out already, can't wait for a four way comparo between M4 / GTR / 911 C2S / Z06

That's going to come down to a GTR/Z06 showdown.

Tonymiabmw · 01-23-2014, 06:09 PM

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That's going to come down to a GTR/Z06 showdown.

True, Honestly if I didn't have kids,I would get a GT3 or new Z06, never thought I would say I would buy a corvette but new Z06 is awesome. Detroit has really come along ways in the last 10 years. Had a Ford Edge rental last week. Was really surprised at how far technology and quality has come in American cars.
Felt on par with Japanese cars for once.

Jockey · 01-23-2014, 06:14 PM

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Idk look at the worlds biggest POS in my opinion the Ferrari California 180k, the GT3 smokes it. GT3 really not that expensive when you think about what you are getting, plus if you get one now you could easily sell it 15k above msrp.

GT3 smokes a lot of cars more expensive than it. It's an incredible car, no doubt.

But nothing at $130k is a bargain.

Desmond Is My Constant · 01-23-2014, 06:44 PM

I did not read all 3 pages of this thread but I will say this and forgive me for saying it.

A Porsche will always be a Porsche. A BMW will never be one. A BMW will be just a BMW. The same way why a Porsche can never be a Bugatti. It's just a Porsche.

You are comparing Apples to Oranges. I think many people who show Porsche do so for its name,

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