[243Racing]

Originally Posted by phantom7835

Show me a time where a new generation was lighter than the previous generation

ND vs NC miata doesn't count

Gen 6 (2016+) Camaro is almost 200lbs lighter than the Gen 5

[SexyRoger]

It does keep the classic fighter plane roofline.

Hopefully they will keep the G80 Grill away.

[Game]

Now that the G42 info is officially all out on the table, what do we think this means for the G87 as far as:

1. Colors - exterior/interior
2. Design - how will they top the already wide fenders and power dome hood?
3. Packages/options
4. Price - just slightly over the F87?
5. Competition variant?

[Jason]

Updated July 14, 2021 with latest spy pics of the G87 prototype.

The spied interior shows upgraded wraparound display screens (the G42 2-series gets the standard displays)

G87 M2 Spied July 14, 2021

[swampfox94]

I'm really curious how they do options for this car. Hoping they keep it simple like the f87. Check yes or no to executive package and that's it

[abirmaher]

Originally Posted by Jason

Updated July 14, 2021 with latest spy pics of the G87 prototype.

The spied interior shows upgraded wraparound display screens (the G42 2-series gets the standard displays)

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Nice feature… also excited to see an orange/ red interior. Hope it makes it to production!

[jwr0721]

Why are they shoving this bizarre-looking display down our throats???? Just when BMW got good interiors, they have to throw it all out? I never liked the stand alone GPS screen that looked like someone super glued an iPad to the dash. Now this is even worse.

[MKParris]

Originally Posted by jwr0721

Why are they shoving this bizarre-looking display down our throats???? Just when BMW got good interiors, they have to throw it all out? I never liked the stand alone GPS screen that looked like someone super glued an iPad to the dash. Now this is even worse.

Agreed - they are trying to do what Mercedes did - but Mercedes is now moving away from it because it looks horrible.

[emulajavi]

2 horizontal screens: Mercedes Benz in 2014!!

2014!


Obviously, Mercedes has now abandoned that awful lazy design.

[Dean_Clevername]

Why are they spending dev cycles and $ on a wrap around screen in an M car when they need to just get the steering right? Just get the fundamentals right and don't make the car heavier. The steering weight in my LCI M2 is atrocious. Zero relationship between tire load and weight/resistance in sport modes. It's like an arcade game from the late 1990s.

All this reliance on screens and tech to deliver a "value proposition" only means the car has less of a value proposition in 2-3 years and they need to do more work to keep up with this for a mid-cycle refresh. And these systems are never better or easier to use than an iPhone, so what's the point? I just use my phone for everything because it's more responsive and doesn't have the weird quirks that even using apple car play introduces. Just make the car be good and leave the other stuff to phones to handle. BMW really have lost touch with what their core identity is, what a shame.

[Dean_Clevername]

Originally Posted by swampfox94

I'm really curious how they do options for this car. Hoping they keep it simple like the f87. Check yes or no to executive package and that's it

I hope they make the exec package more meaningful. The wireless charging is a pretty minimal thing and the active headlights are next to useless in my experience, they just add weight and complexity.

[swampfox94]

Originally Posted by Dean_Clevername

I hope they make the exec package more meaningful. The wireless charging is a pretty minimal thing and the active headlights are next to useless in my experience, they just add weight and complexity.

The lights were worth it for the look over the standard, the WiFi arena for wireless apple CarPlay and heated steering for $1200 it was a fair price in my mind

[Dean_Clevername]

Originally Posted by MadBimmeRad

I'm glad you have

I own one and don't get to drive it much.

can't wait till summer

How bad are the winters there? I've driven all manner of 911 and Miatas year round here in DC, even when the weather is sub freezing. They're all great unless there is snow on the ground and you don't have snow tires on. M2 was no different this year. Honestly it may have been more fun in winter when the PS4S have a little less grip.

[WWM3]

Looks like the same headlights as the new 2er.

[rkmjr]

Originally Posted by swampfox94

The lights were worth it for the look over the standard, the WiFi arena for wireless apple CarPlay and heated steering for $1200 it was a fair price in my mind

Originally Posted by swampfox94

The lights were worth it for the look over the standard, the WiFi arena for wireless apple CarPlay and heated steering for $1200 it was a fair price in my mind

I would agree. I have the package and it was well worth it. Not happy with the extra $300 for the ACP, but I do use it extensively.

[(K)]

Curious about those fenders and their tacked-on look. Hoping they go with a more elegant solution on the final product. Also seems like we're sticking with the cow udder muffler?

[nicksm3]

Originally Posted by Dean_Clevername

Why are they spending dev cycles and $ on a wrap around screen in an M car when they need to just get the steering right? Just get the fundamentals right and don't make the car heavier. The steering weight in my LCI M2 is atrocious. Zero relationship between tire load and weight/resistance in sport modes. It's like an arcade game from the late 1990s.

All this reliance on screens and tech to deliver a "value proposition" only means the car has less of a value proposition in 2-3 years and they need to do more work to keep up with this for a mid-cycle refresh. And these systems are never better or easier to use than an iPhone, so what's the point? I just use my phone for everything because it's more responsive and doesn't have the weird quirks that even using apple car play introduces. Just make the car be good and leave the other stuff to phones to handle. BMW really have lost touch with what their core identity is, what a shame.

Been saying this for years. Steering/front end feel after the e92 m3 went to shit and it's not the same! That's my 2 cents. Wish BMW can make the M brand different, simple with emotion instead of this tech bullshit that's drives you and not the other way around.

[tuffode]

Originally Posted by Dean_Clevername

Why are they spending dev cycles and $ on a wrap around screen in an M car when they need to just get the steering right?

Because it's not specifically for the M2. The i4 got a similar screen setup, and the regular 2er will be updated to this screen setup in a year or 2 as well.

[TigahRouge]

I Love the wheel arches!!

[xlover]

Originally Posted by MKParris

Agreed - they are trying to do what Mercedes did - but Mercedes is now moving away from it because it looks horrible.

execution is more important, mercedes started at "hey lets add one huge screen" and tried to make their system UX fit which did not work particularly well. especially when dropping below the s-class, which had gotten almost a bespoke UI to make the large screen work

BMW will still have 2 separate screens, just larger, slightly curved and connected by a trim piece to make them look seamless. The idrive 7/8 system naturally has the ability to consume more real estate and BMW has already digitized the displays throughout the line. Whether aesthetically it is preferred or not vs the more "cockpit" look there are few options to increase the size of the displays and keep the current UI concepts.

[M2COMP]

I think the current generation is the last of analog cars BMW has made.

[Game]

Love that cognac will be available for this car.

Also I don't think the linked screens are a bad look. I think BMW will make the finished product look quite good.