[AlexFL]

Originally Posted by Red Bread

You do track, right? Fairly sure there's ample Apex presence at any track these days. Of course, that's not really the market for Vossen or HRE. We're probably done here, aren't we?

We can keep going. If you order same Apex wheels in 20x9, they will cost more than the Vossen HF-5 I mentioned. Also we're talking about different purpose wheels. You are talking about light, small diameter wheels for tracking. Apex, Enkei, Forgeline etc. I'm talking about wheels for a good build, those naturally tend to be larger and hence more expensive.

[Red Bread]

Originally Posted by AlexFL

We can keep going. If you order same Apex wheels in 20x9, they will cost more than the Vossen HF-5 I mentioned. Also we're talking about different purpose wheels. You are talking about light, small diameter wheels for tracking. Apex, Enkei, Forgeline etc. I'm talking about wheels for a good build, those naturally tend to be larger and hence more expensive.

Well yes, it makes sense that a stronger, forged wheel would be more expensive than a flow formed wheel. The more alarming thing is when it's not, like with HRE.

It's not news that big wheels are more expensive than small wheels. Exactly why I'm moving from 19s to 17s. Wheels are an expensive factor in tracking and a consumable item, they don't last forever. But it's nice to have discounted replacement costs too. Not touting this as an Apex thing, pretty sure most of the big guys offer this, and yet another reason little, rebranded or discount wheel shops aren't always the deal they seem like upfront.

[AlexFL]

Originally Posted by Red Bread

Well yes, it makes sense that a stronger, forged wheel would be more expensive than a flow formed wheel. The more alarming thing is when it's not, like with HRE.

It's not news that big wheels are more expensive than small wheels. Exactly why I'm moving from 19s to 17s. Wheels are an expensive factor in tracking and a consumable item, they don't last forever. But it's nice to have discounted replacement costs too. Not touting this as an Apex thing, pretty sure most of the big guys offer this, and yet another reason little, rebranded or discount wheel shops aren't always the deal they seem like upfront.

We still don't know if OP plans to track his car. I kind of doubt he does, because he is looking at 19s. If not, I think weight should not be his priority. Quality, looks and stance should be.

[Red Bread]

Originally Posted by AlexFL

We still don't know if OP plans to track his car. I kind of doubt he does, because he is looking at 19s. If not, I think weight should not be his priority. Quality, looks and stance should be.

Oh, it's just you and me driving this train into the gutter. I'm sure the OP is confused how we got here. He may be out installing Daytons.

[FC4]

BBS or Volk. Anything else is whatever.

[G30M]

i am just after light wheels. if i were to get the heavy Vossen wheels then i might as well stick with stock.

not sure why i'm obsessed with weight. must be one of those people.

have a set of Enkei RPF1 18x9 that weigh 16.5 lbs each!

hitting potholes with skinny 19" tires on dodgy wheels are what i'm afraid of. the roads here are pretty average at best, and terrible after a storm - water seems to create potholes. says a lot about the road surface materials.

[x622]

Originally Posted by G99M5

i am just after light wheels. if i were to get the heavy Vossen wheels then i might as well stick with stock.

not sure why i'm obsessed with weight. must be one of those people.

have a set of Enkei RPF1 18x9 that weigh 16.5 lbs each!

hitting potholes with skinny 19" tires on dodgy wheels are what i'm afraid of. the roads here are pretty average at best, and terrible after a storm - water seems to create potholes. says a lot about the road surface materials.

Those signature/bc/etcetc chinese whitelable wheels might be a good option. You can usually get a set for $3k.

[heavyD^2]

Originally Posted by Red Bread

Yes they are. You can get numerous forged wheels for a lot less than the flow formed Vossen or HRE that are both stronger and lighter. I have forged Apex that have the same TUV and JWL certifications and all of the benefits of forged vs flow formed spoke strength.

Can you name a list of numerous reputable wheel brands (outside of Apex) that make real forged wheels that are cheaper than flow formed Vossen or HRE? Even Enkei MAT process wheels are pretty pricey.

[x622]

Originally Posted by heavyD^2

Can you name a list of numerous reputable wheel brands (outside of Apex) that make real forged wheels that are cheaper than flow formed Vossen or HRE? Even Enkei MAT process wheels are pretty pricey.

I'd be curious too. Might grab some wheels for the e36 if they're real cheap.

[Red Bread]

Originally Posted by x622

I'd be curious too. Might grab some wheels for the e36 if they're real cheap.

Apex is the obvious answer for that, but to the previous post the following offer forged wheels in the $500-$800 range: APR, Neuspeed, SuperSpeed, Fast and BC Forged all come to mind, there are certainly others, that's just what comes to mind from the VW/Audi side of things.

[G30M]

Originally Posted by x622

Those signature/bc/etcetc chinese whitelable wheels might be a good option. You can usually get a set for $3k.

where do i find these wheels?

[________]

Just follow the rule to wheels and decide which one you should buy.

Wheels can be cheap, strong, and light. But you can only have 2 out of the 3. Easy decision now.

[AlexFL]

BC Forged wheels offer a really good value in terms of price, looks and quality.

[G MONEY]

Here you go dog:-)

[x622]

Originally Posted by G99M5

where do i find these wheels?

Have a connection in China. Or 小红书 is another decent spot.

Edit: One more thing, unless you do boat shipping air shipping wheels from china is about $500 a pop including tariff. Figure 2 weeks for air and 5-9 for boat depending on if you do slow or fast shipping. Customs entry through port will be slower.

[OkieSnuffBox]

Originally Posted by heavyD^2

Can you name a list of numerous reputable wheel brands (outside of Apex) that make real forged wheels that are cheaper than flow formed Vossen or HRE? Even Enkei MAT process wheels are pretty pricey.

Titan7 is a good one.

The 18x9.5 Advan RSIII's (flow formed) where about $400/set more expensive than the 18x9.5 Titan7 T-S5 or T-R10 wheels, which are forged.