[MrRoboto]

Originally Posted by smyles

And out of all knifes used in knife-related violence in Canada, how many were smuggled from the US? What about baseball bats? Hockey sticks? And so on...

Exactly...got nothing to do with guns, knives, etc. It's the unbelievable lack of respect some people have towards others. That, along with priorities that are vastly out of whack in a modern society. Treat the disease, not the symptoms.

[Mr Tonka]

Originally Posted by capriguy84

You come under the responsible category. Just because you drive safe, doesn't mean you can't get killed by someone who has gun and 4000 rounds of ammo.

What is your justification of having so much ammo??? do you practice a hobby sport in firing range or similar? Imagine, if this falls in wrong hands.


GUN for PERSONAL SAFETY is fine. Just regulate who has access to it and make sure they would use it responsibly.

Just because i have 6000 rounds of ammo doesn't mean i can't get killed by someone driving a car.

That is the beauty of a free country. I don't need to justify why i have so much ammo. But if you must know, this is for when the zombies come. Ok, and some range shooting. Really though, an hour or two at the range will burn through 200 to 500 rounds of ammo. Ammo is cheaper when purchased in larger quantities most of the time and when i come across a good deal, i purchase. About it falling into the wrong hands, if that happened i don't think i would care because i would most likely be dead. But while i'm alive it's all locked up in this......





If guns for personal safety are fine then why are they not ok for target shooting at the range? Seems that you should be glad those who have them for personal defense frequently use them at the range so they have experience with handling them safely.

[Mr Tonka]

Originally Posted by Augenbrauezug

So then you are arguing for more control?

I agree with collins, there are no reasons that i can think of to have a 100 round mag. Unless you're on patrol in Afghanistan. But do they need to be regulated? I don't know, i've never seen one owned by a private citizen and i don't think the incident in CO would have been much different if he didn't have one.

[kevinbahnz]

Damm, Cant wait to buy a house so I can start building up my cache of guns and ammo. Still waiting on the Police Dept to return my 9mm after I shot a robber. I love America..

[samchoi604]

Originally Posted by smyles

And out of all knifes used in knife-related violence in Canada, how many were smuggled from the US? What about baseball bats? Hockey sticks? And so on...

You cannot commit a massacre with a knife, or a baseball bat, or a hockey stick. But to answer your question, probably no where nearly as many as guns.

"According to the Canada Border Services Agency (CBSA), in 2006, 96% of all firearms seized originated in or transited through the United States. "

http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/ci-rc/repo.../index-eng.htm

[BMWinNorthdakota]

Originally Posted by BMWinNorthdakota

This is quite frustrating and entertaining at the same time. To those individuals that STILL maintain that gun control/eliminating gun possession is the answer:

What of the facts that have been blatantly put in front of you by Collins and numerous other members here that suggest quite the opposite? WHY DO YOU STILL MAINTAIN THAT GUN RESTRICTIONS ARE THE ANSWER?!?!?! Is it that you are just that ignorant? Or perhaps you have never held a gun in your life and they scare you because you relate them to what you have been conditioned to (murderous sprees depicted in movies) and therefore the monstrous murderous pieces of equipment should be ban from civilians of countries and reserved for the use of Governments.

bump...

still waiting for an answer.

[h3lpmedic]

Originally Posted by samchoi604

You cannot commit a massacre with a knife, or a baseball bat, or a hockey stick. But to answer your question, probably no where nearly as many as guns.

"According to the Canada Border Services Agency (CBSA), in 2006, 96% of all firearms seized originated in or transited through the United States. "

http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/ci-rc/repo.../index-eng.htm

Actually massacre happen more often than you think with weapons other than guns. Take Japan for example, which has one of the most restrictive gun laws in the world, and look up the OSAKA School massacre. At Osaka there was a man armed with only a kitchen knife, but he managed to kill 8 and wound 15 others. The point is if an individual is hell bent in killing, he or she will regardless on the availability of guns or not.

[samchoi604]

Originally Posted by h3lpmedic

Actually massacre happen more often than you think with weapons other than guns. Take Japan for example, which has one of the most restrictive gun laws in the world, and look up the OSAKA School massacre. At Osaka there was a man armed with only a kitchen knife, but he managed to kill 8 and wound 15 others. The point is if an individual is hell bent in killing, he or she will regardless on the availability of guns or not.

Yes I am aware of that event, and he probably would have killed much more people with a gun.

[Mr Tonka]

Originally Posted by samchoi604

Yes I am aware of that event, and he probably would have killed much more people with a gun.

Probably.

But the point is he didn't have a gun and still chose to kill random people. 8 of them in fact. Only 4 less than someone wielding an assault rifle, shotgun and a pistol with more than 100 rounds of ammo and a captive target made of a few hundred people huddled closely together.

Someone said treat the disease and not the problem. The disease is the human race. The gumption and ability to do such things come from people not the tools in which they use to do these things.

[kevinbahnz]

Originally Posted by MP0WER

Probably.

But the point is he didn't have a gun and still chose to kill random people. 8 of them in fact. Only 4 less than someone wielding an assault rifle, shotgun and a pistol with more than 100 rounds of ammo and a captive target made of a few hundred people huddled closely together.

Someone said treat the disease and not the problem. The disease is the human race. The gumption and ability to do such things come from people not the tools in which they do these things.

I read the first 2 sentences and thought you guys were talking about the Japanese cult that released the gas in the subway.. Did that illegal chemical kill anyone?

[ybbiz34]

It is illegal to buy, possess, and sell the following in the United States: Cocaine, Marijuana, Heroin.

How's that working out?

[ideliver]

Originally Posted by capriguy84

You still don't get it!! The whole point it to regulate the right to carry a gun, so it doesn't cause more harm.

The whole reason cars kill more people than guns is because it's become the defacto mode of transport. The getaway is don't let the guns outnumber the cars.

You dont get it...driving is a privilege granted by the state... Gun ownership is a right granted to every citizen.

Words have meanings...please learn the difference between a privilege and a right

Privileges are just that and do not have to be granted, and are earned. Rights, are granted everyone and may be restricted in only special circumstances

[kmarei]

Originally Posted by MP0WER

You're free to move out of this barbarian country. Go try some place like, say..... South Africa, Columbia, El Salvador, Jamaica, Honduras, Guatemala, Swaziland, Brazil, Estonia, Panama or Mexico. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

Funny how you chose countries with very bad crime rates
How come you didn't mention all of western Europe?
Or does that totally destroy your argument?

I'd rather stay in this country and try to educate people like you

[kmarei]

Originally Posted by fokus45

I wish I could live in that little fantasy world where guns are banned and they all magically disappear. It is very interesting to me how many people think gun crimes would stop in this country if they were banned. There are far too many guns in circulation in this country to ban them without huge negative consequence. Illegal gun crimes would still happen. Not to mention what kind of a hit the economy would take and a huge rise in unemployment. Enforcing the laws that are already in place would be great but that would cause too many discrimination crys. It is what it is, and yes, I will keep my guns and go bang bang bang all the live long day thank you.

The fact remains that in this particular shooting
The killer bought his guns legally
So maybe, just maybe, if he could not simply walk into a store and buy enough ammo to start a civil war in some African countries
This kind of rampage wouldn't have happened.

You're assuming that the average man on the street could get guns if he were not allowed to legally?
They can't in most developed countries
Which is why if you look at western Europe
This whole mad man shooting randomly at innocent people, doesn't happen every few months.
This shit only happens here, and you have free access to weapons
I'm sorry but I can't not make a link between the 2

[kmarei]

One question I'd love to ask all the gun lovers
What would you suggest to help stop this kind of incident from happening?
You're all strongly against more gun laws, so what other measures could we do to stop this?
Or is this killing rate within acceptable tolerances?
So it's ok to own as many guns and bullets as possible, if we lose 10-20 people every few months, fuck it?

[Cdnrockies]

Originally Posted by smyles

And out of all knifes used in knife-related violence in Canada, how many were smuggled from the US? What about baseball bats? Hockey sticks? And so on...

This is perhaps the biggest post fail in this thread....and there are plenty of them.

Out of the knives, baseball bats and hockey sticks that you mention....how many of them are illegal to obtain in our country???

If you're going to contribute, at least post something reasonably intelligent.

[Mr Tonka]

Originally Posted by kmarei

Funny how you chose countries with very bad crime rates
How come you didn't mention all of western Europe?
Or does that totally destroy your argument?

I'd rather stay in this country and try to educate people like you

Yes, all examples of countries with higher rates of firearm homicides than the U.S. However when you compare the amount of guns in these "bad crime rate" countries the picture looks a little different......

You see you can easily find a spread sheet showing how many firearm deaths there are per country and a separate sheet showing how many guns there are per country. But none that show them on the same sheet. So i took the liberty of putting them on one sheet. This one as you can see is sorted by number of firearm homicides per 100,000 residents, from highest to lowest. Notice that all the countries above the US have a fraction of the guns the US has and that as the homicide rates drop, some of the gun quantities go up a bit compared with most of the countries that have a higher homicide rate than the US.

Note that the only nation on this list who's statistics are made up of 3 years rather than 1 is the US. Cutting 4.14 by 3 probably doesn't work, but it might be safe to say that because the US statistics are drawn from a span of 3 years the number of homicides per 100,000 would be lower, if only marginally.




This one is sorted by number of guns per 100 residents.

[Cdnrockies]

Originally Posted by MP0WER

Yes, all examples of countries with higher rates of firearm homicides than the U.S. However when you compare the amount of guns in these "bad crime rate" countries the picture looks a little different......

Ummm....I posted this information on PAGE ONE.

This makes it much simpler.

[Mr Tonka]

Originally Posted by kmarei

One question I'd love to ask all the gun lovers
What would you suggest to help stop this kind of incident from happening?
You're all strongly against more gun laws, so what other measures could we do to stop this?
Or is this killing rate within acceptable tolerances?
So it's ok to own as many guns and bullets as possible, if we lose 10-20 people every few months, fuck it?

At this point in time there isn't much that can be done to stop this kind of incident. Just like if someone want's to steal your car they WILL get it if determined.

BTW, your numbers are quiet exaggerated. Not saying that the actual numbers are justified. Just saying people might take you more seriously with more accurate figures.

[Mr Tonka]

Originally Posted by Cdnrockies

Ummm....I posted this information on PAGE ONE.

This makes it much simpler.

Graph one - selected countries

Graph two - has nothing to do with firearms.


Your post doesn't make anything simpler, it's just simply less complete.

I'm not thrilled about stats but with the way some people in here are spouting off about the lunacy of the US i figured those people might be surprised by the statistics of the US as well as some other countries with on 10% of the guns but 12 times more firearm homicides.

[kmarei]

Very interesting
However, glancing at it quickly on my iPad
Most countries in western Europe have less than 1 death per 100 residents.
So the US has at least 4 times as many homicides as most of western Europe.
The reason I always mention western Europe is that the majority of Americans are originally from there, so I think it's a valid comparison.
These very same people, with less guns, kill less.

The majority of western European countries have roughly 1/10 the number of guns as the US
And roughly 1/8th the number of murders

On a lighter note
They really get their money's worth of their guns in El Salvador
Every gun is responsible for almost 10 deaths

[kmarei]

Originally Posted by MP0WER

I'm not thrilled about stats but with the way some people in here are spouting off about the lunacy of the US i figured those people might be surprised by the statistics of the US as well as some other countries with on 10% of the guns but 12 times more firearm homicides.

I'm not sure it's fair to compare the US, a first world super power, richest country on the planet
To countries that are under developed, poor, and with drug violence brewing