BMW M4 Car and Driver Lightning Lap times are out

[FC4]

Originally Posted by 1stm3f80

$845,000 id buy a M3 and a sick boat, fish for yellow and blue fin tuna all day off the coast of San Diego sipping sculpin IPA's and a few sours listening to the Red Sox game.

Cool.

But the boat that an average 918 owner has will dwarf the boat you bought with that money.

[basiluf]

Did anyone notice the time difference between last years Focus ST run and this years Focus ST run? That's a huge difference.

[BenchRacerYo]

I cannot wait for the Z06 to come out and murder everything in its path. (Just put a deposit down on one)

[M3guy3]

Originally Posted by BenchRacerYo

I cannot wait for the Z06 to come out and murder everything in its path. (Just put a deposit down on one)

they are taking deposits

[BenchRacerYo]

Originally Posted by M3guy3

they are taking deposits

Deposits and orders. Depending on your dealer, it'll be anywhere from 5%-10%. Don't pay any sort of dealer markup, for every dealer selling with a markup, there are 100 selling at MSRP.

[M3guy3]

Originally Posted by BenchRacerYo

Deposits and orders. Depending on your dealer, it'll be anywhere from 5%-10%. Don't pay any sort of dealer markup, for every dealer selling with a markup, there are 100 selling at MSRP.

i thought you couldn't order until early next year. wow i was wrong, lol.

[swanson]

Originally Posted by BenchRacerYo

I cannot wait for the Z06 to come out and murder everything in its path. (Just put a deposit down on one)

Sweet. Which dealer?

[pkimM3r]

Originally Posted by Dalko43

Agree with the above...also I recall seeing someone post that exact thing about the snow tires...they claimed that BMW apparently had to make significant compromises on the M4's chassis in order to fit snow tires.....

I thought that was a low point, even for this forum.

someone told me the m4 was a better car than a c7 (even a z06 based on the conversation) because he could throw snow tires on the m4. in that case an sti is better because that doesnt even need snow tires in the snow

[Divexxtreme]

Originally Posted by M3guy3

i thought you couldn't order until early next year. wow i was wrong, lol.

I've had a deposit on mine for 2 months. Dealers just received their first allocations a few days ago, and all of the manual-coupe orders will be going in soon. Convertibles and autos are after that.

[pkimM3r]

Originally Posted by BenchRacerYo

I cannot wait for the Z06 to come out and murder everything in its path. (Just put a deposit down on one)

i might actually be driving american muscle next too? who would've thought!

[pkimM3r]

Originally Posted by M3 Esq

right? i know those that do go on here , recognize from the older place but seriously some of these i read as: i have no experience but from reading online content and through the grapevine ive heard blah blah blah wah wah wah.

[pkimM3r]

Originally Posted by basiluf

Did anyone notice the time difference between last years Focus ST run and this years Focus ST run? That's a huge difference.

did the car change at all?

[M3guy3]

Originally Posted by Divexxtreme

I've had a deposit on mine for 2 months. Dealers just received their first allocations a few days ago, and all of the manual-coupe orders will be going in soon. Convertibles and autos are after that.

So probably Z06`s are hitting the streets next summer.

[Phatcat]

Is it different driver this time around? Or drastically different track conditions? I have a hard time believing the E63 is 5 seconds faster than the M5. And the RS7 is quicker too. 4x4 is that big of an advantage?

[FogCityM3]

The Ford Focus ST is the same other than a minor cosmetic facelift. It appears that tarmac/track changes alone could account for 2-4 secs faster laptimes from one year to the next.

Originally Posted by SlowSaloonM3

did the car change at all?

[DieGrüneHölle]

Originally Posted by Phatcat

Is it different driver this time around? Or drastically different track conditions? I have a hard time believing the E63 is 5 seconds faster than the M5. And the RS7 is quicker too. 4x4 is that big of an advantage?

The track was repaved just few months ago. Making past times irrelevant. Some are trying to make the claim it doesn't make a big difference on street tires. But clearly from times, as you and others have pointed out. It has made a huge difference.

[gthal]

Originally Posted by FogCityM3

The Ford Focus ST is the same other than a minor cosmetic facelift. It appears that tarmac/track changes alone could account for 2-4 secs faster laptimes from one year to the next.

Originally Posted by Blipit_

The track was repaved just few months ago. Making past times irrelevant. Some are trying to make the claim it doesn't make a big difference on street tires. But clearly from times, as you and others have pointed out. It has made a huge difference.

I'm not debating the resurfacing would have impacted the times. However, from the little data we have, it is impossible to know by how much. Different drivers, different days, etc. So, to say it made a "huge" difference might be a bit of an exaggeration... or maybe not

What was the delta at the 'Ring? IIRC it was something like 12 seconds between the E9x and the F8X, maybe? So, how would a 12s delta on a long course like that translate to a shorter course like VIR? Again, way too many variables but it would seem to me the 5s delta at VIR would be somewhat expected based on the 'Ring results? Maybe not.

What's interesting is the article mentioned almost nothing about the resurfacing and the impact on times. Again, not that it doesn't impact it, but you would think it would have been discussed more fully if they believed it made a "hugely" significant impact.

[Pentium]

Originally Posted by myzmak

M4 is right where it should be.

That 918 time is serious business now. Wow.

exactly...

[Ghetto2315]

Originally Posted by SlowSaloonM3

raise your hand if you posted on this thread and have never been to a track and are just regurgitating technical bullshit.

Spot on...

[onatuesday]

Originally Posted by Blipit_

The track was repaved just few months ago. Making past times irrelevant. Some are trying to make the claim it doesn't make a big difference on street tires. But clearly from times, as you and others have pointed out. It has made a huge difference.

In regards to the Focus ST time being so much quicker it actually has very little to do with repaving. At All. C&D specifically cited that last year they got very little seat time because they accidentally ran over the keyfob for the Focus ST very early on in the first day. This time around they had a full 3 days to get the time down by 4 seconds.

And that's another point to keep in mind, these times are the best times from several runs over three days of testing not just a single flying lap.

Please stop making claims if you haven't read the entire article.

[Alpina_B3_Lux]

Originally Posted by trinim3

Just thought I'd point out that for some inexplicable reason the R8 V10 plus came with Contintental ContiSport Contacts which is pretty much the worse tire you could put on a car like that. Guarantee if that car was running Pzero Corsas it would be 3-5 seconds quicker. Which is why stress how important the tires are.

On the Nürburgring that difference alone would allot for 10-20 seconds of lap time, depending on the reference tire.

IIRC the R8 comes with Pirelli PZero tires as standard which are already much better than the Continentals in this test. Put it on Pirelli Corsas and I would expect it to be significantly faster. It's rather surprising they used the Continantal tires which nobody I'm aware of would ever drive on that car.

[Kayani_1]

I had a feeling through out even though we had a lot of nay sayers around here that did not want to believe that the C7 stingray will be definitely faster around the track than M4. Well it puts that debate to rest. A C7 stingray a whole 7 sec per lap faster under identical conditions and driver. I say a huge margin of victory for a car that also beats M4 in fuel mileage with its naturally aspirate awesome sounding V8. I like M4 but I am excited and wanting to own a 2015 C7 stingray Z51 with up coming 8-speed transmission that will be the fastest stingray based on GM and will have even better fuel economy than the 2014 model. Nice job GM and cost of ownership half of BMW....my nxt car

Also, those M235i numbers are awfully close to that of 2007 N54 twin turbo 335i coupe with sport pkg. In other words you get same performance as you did in 2007 in a slightly smaller pkg. I think ill keep my N54 tuned 07 E92 335i coupe all paid off.