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MJE60 · 01-10-2021, 06:04 AM

This was interesting news but I cannot help feeling the 25e phev will have little appeal except to company car drivers where the tax can be significantly lower (in the U.K. approx 1/3rd of petrol/diesel equivalent). The reason being the relentless legislative push to full EV and in many countries the ban of petrol/diesel cars from 2030-2035. These changes are now only 9-14 years away so in the short time remaining the main issue is how much appeal will any hybrid car have when there are now few if any tax incentives to non company owners?

If the answer is that for a few, a full EV does not match their driving habits/pattern (or finances) and they want to make a greener decision/statement but need the range flexibility of a hybrid, then this type of car now faces another challenge, from its own stablemate, namely 48v mild hybrid technology which for the 2022 X1/X2 may have the generation 2 system of a 20-30 hp electric motor on board. The generation 1 48v system now found in the majority of BMW models, currently has 12hp enhanced starter-generator which provides energy recapture and assistance stop/start and up to 11hp in acceleration. The gen 2 system with 30hp will allow even greater energy efficiency but like gen1 are incorporated as part of standard car spec In order to meet ever tighter emissions targets. Why pay significantly more for an X1/X2 PHEV with 95 hp electric motor when standard cars, now called MHEV, come with 30hp electric motors? Politicians have made their decision, they do not want or support hybrid cars and manufacturers will not get away with charging a premium for them.

2021 is significant year for EV, with numerous manufacturers bringing in new models such as VAG with its ID.3 and ID.4 and many new compact EV models from European manufacturers, this will encourage many who could not afford a Tesla and found the “leaf” incredibly boring, to make the jump, further reducing demand for hybrid phev type offerings. Imho the xDrive 25e is redundant before it even launches.

https://www.bmwblog.com/2018/12/05/u...trical-system/

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MJE60 Captain 678 Rep 910 Posts Drives: BMW G01 xDrive M Sport Join Date: Jan 2019 Location: Dorset, UK iTrader: (0)	This was interesting news but I cannot help feeling the 25e phev will have little appeal except to company car drivers where the tax can be significantly lower (in the U.K. approx 1/3rd of petrol/diesel equivalent). The reason being the relentless legislative push to full EV and in many countries the ban of petrol/diesel cars from 2030-2035. These changes are now only 9-14 years away so in the short time remaining the main issue is how much appeal will any hybrid car have when there are now few if any tax incentives to non company owners? If the answer is that for a few, a full EV does not match their driving habits/pattern (or finances) and they want to make a greener decision/statement but need the range flexibility of a hybrid, then this type of car now faces another challenge, from its own stablemate, namely 48v mild hybrid technology which for the 2022 X1/X2 may have the generation 2 system of a 20-30 hp electric motor on board. The generation 1 48v system now found in the majority of BMW models, currently has 12hp enhanced starter-generator which provides energy recapture and assistance stop/start and up to 11hp in acceleration. The gen 2 system with 30hp will allow even greater energy efficiency but like gen1 are incorporated as part of standard car spec In order to meet ever tighter emissions targets. Why pay significantly more for an X1/X2 PHEV with 95 hp electric motor when standard cars, now called MHEV, come with 30hp electric motors? Politicians have made their decision, they do not want or support hybrid cars and manufacturers will not get away with charging a premium for them. 2021 is significant year for EV, with numerous manufacturers bringing in new models such as VAG with its ID.3 and ID.4 and many new compact EV models from European manufacturers, this will encourage many who could not afford a Tesla and found the “leaf” incredibly boring, to make the jump, further reducing demand for hybrid phev type offerings. Imho the xDrive 25e is redundant before it even launches. https://www.bmwblog.com/2018/12/05/u...trical-system/ Last edited by MJE60; 03-03-2021 at 05:26 AM..
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