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Originally Posted by swamp2
Wow pretty bad from a BMW owner. Going OT here but I can't let such errors pass.
The M3 never has been an elite sports car. Sure it has a great racing and wining heritage in motosports but it has flat our NEVER been the top dog in pure performance. If you think a car that is about 4 seconds to 60 and can get to 100 in less than 10 and can boogie around the Nordeshleife in about 8 minutes flat is not a "motorsports" oriented/inspired/designed car I'd really like to know which top level Italian exotics you have been owning and driving  . The M3 as always been about being a really practical, fun to drive sports coupe, and as you well know it has absolutely owned its class since inception, including the E9X M3! You are clearly wrong about who recognizes an M3 and who doesn't. It is an icon and recognized by BMW enthusiasts, car enthusiasts and even non car folks world wide. What is wrong with BMW trying to sell 100k M3s? It is not that many more than they sold E46 M3s, a healthy increase but not like double or anything. Lastly, as you know the M3 is not really $70k, sure you can spend more than that on one, but equally in a state without sales tax you can walk out the door with one for less than $60k. Typically when discussing prices you should qualify it as "nicely equipped, out the door" or just use the base price. |
The M3 was only great when it didn't have to deal with the Skyline. Now it has to, and it absolutely getting crushed by the GT-R in any race. What is the M3 for then? Its now a GT car since it is getting its ass handed to it on the track? The GT-R is also way faster than just about any Italian sports car except for the super exotics. I am not wrong about the M3, compared to the GT-R it is a poseur vehicle. The old E46 M3, which is my favorite, was a car that had no competitors at its price. Now, the RS4 gives the M3 a huge run for its money and so does the C63. Everyone has upped their game because of the E46, to the point where even if the M3 is better, its lead is extremely small. Then comparing it to the GT-R, and it is just laughable. My opinion, and you can feel free to disagree. I just think the M3 has vastly overpriced itself and with competition from within, (the 335 with a chip is just as fast and good on the street) the M3 to me isn't that great. I have a E46 330i and never thought it would come close to a M3 unless I spent a whole ton of money. I don't remember when the E46 M3 ever had problems selling when it came out, yet right now the E92 M3 can be found at any BMW dealership.
Also, think about it this way. The performance that you can NOW have with the GT-R will take the M3 at least 2-3 MORE generations to meet. To me, that is absolutely shocking, telling you just how far ahead the GT-R is. 2-3 generations is around 14-21 years in BMW terms, so you can either wait that long for the M3 to do what the GT-R is doing now, or just get the better car. I feel like the M3 is poseur because even though it has track capabilities, how many M3 owners will actually take their car to the track? The truth is, VERY few. But the percentage of GT-R owners who do track their cars will be much much higher.