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Originally Posted by PawnStar
Misinformation at best. First, no mention in my post about a 4 door m3. Just the 2 door M4. Second, I just configured a red/tan 991 on Porscheusa.com, with PDK and Premium package it will run 92595. About 88k with a reasonable 5% off MSRP, the car can be ordered from any one of my local dealers for April delivery. No hassle, no option credits, usaa, loyalty, team USA credits, holiday cash, over invoice, under invoice, or any other silly buyer inducements to worry about.
Nothing fictional about that.
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Dude, you are manipulating the $$ to make your point, and even though every single person in this post has refuted you, you still insist on making the arguments. So I'll do the math.
To get an M4 to $85k, one would have to start at $64,200 and then add $20k in options. Thusly:
Base M4 - $64,200
CCB's - $7,500
Exec Package - $3,900
Metallic - $550
Driver Assist Plus - $1,900
Harmon Kardon - $875
MDCT - $2,900
Adaptive suspension - $1,000
19" wheels - $1,200
Destination - $925
Total - $84,950
So, to get a Carerra optioned
in a similar manner:
Base Carrera: $84,300
Bose Audio Package: $2,120
Premium Plus w/ Power Sport Seats: $2,330
Metallic: $710
Standard interior with leather seats: $1,550
Park Assist Front & Rear: $990
Dynamic Lights: $Inc in package
PASM: $2,090
PCCB's: $8,520
PDK: $4,080
19 Wheels: INC
Power Sport Seats with Memory Package: $2,320
Carbon console trim: $630
Carbon Interior Package: $1,770
Voice Control: $595
PTV Plus: $1,490
Total: $114,495
So almost exactly $30k more, comparably equipped. YOu could argue that the Porsche could be optioned out more reasonably. And I agree. But then it wouldn't be apples to apples now would it.
Let's go a bit more luxury, without the CCB's, and without Driver assist, but adding in LED lights and extended leather:
Base M4 - $64,200
Exec Package - $3,900
Metallic - $550
Lighting Package - $1,900
Harmon Kardon - $875
MDCT - $2,900
Adaptive suspension - $1,000
19" wheels - $1,200
Full Leather - $1,100 with exec Pack
Destination - $925
Total - $78,550
Now a similar Porsche. I'll even take off the ridiculous carbon trim:
Base Carrera: $84,300
Bose Audio Package: $2,120
Premium Plus w/ Power Sport Seats: $2,330
Metallic: $710
Leather Interior: $3,690
Park Assist Front & Rear: $990
LED Headlights: $3,110
PASM: $2,090
PDK: $4,080
19 Wheels: INC
Power Sport Seats with Memory Package: $2,320
Interior Package in Leather (i.c.w. Leather Interior)
Voice Control: $595
PTV Plus: $1,490
Total: $109,610
So now the difference is over $31k.
Face it, no matter how you slice it, if you want to get the cars equipped reasonably the same, you're looking at $20k difference.
To say nothing of the fact that you're down 50 HP and over 100 ft. lbs of torque. Argue all you want, you won't be right.
You're also discussing a discounted price vs. full MSRP. Which is bunk. The M4 WILL have discounts available within 6-12 months, just as the 991 does now. I'm sure when the 991 was out there was no haggling then either. So say in a year, you're taking 10% off the 991, and 7% off for Euro delivery or a combination of year end / CCA / USAA, etc. That leaves you with:
$79,003 vs. $103,495
and
$73,051 vs. $98,649
So your difference is $24k and $25k respectively.
To get a car that has less power and a lot less torque. Oh, and next to no back seat. That's a big difference to many buyers. The M4 is generally used way more day to day than the 911
Sorry, just not comparable.