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      12-20-2017, 07:02 PM   #23
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This vehicle is fine but BMW no longer makes BMWs as you know them, and we just have to deal with that reality.


I can deal w/ this reality (...not buyin' that)... but.. will BMW deal w/ its reality?
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      12-20-2017, 07:21 PM   #24
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Is this the equivalent of MB GLA?
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      12-20-2017, 07:57 PM   #25
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Give me a real color and an M40i trim and you have an amazing "entry-level" high performance SAV
M35i. Sit tight.
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      12-20-2017, 08:04 PM   #26
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This is not a SAV. This is a crossover, 4-door, mini van.
Which will look awesome next to itís sister, the 2 series active minivan.

M performance wood on the side (instead of carbon fiber) to be released soon.

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This is not a SAV. This is a crossover, 4-door, mini van.
Which will look awesome next to itís sister, the 2 series active minivan.

M performance wood on the side (instead of carbon fiber) to be released soon.

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      12-20-2017, 08:08 PM   #28
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Even this thing comes with the 710 M steering wheel!!
Yeah but that's the Fxx 710 M steering wheel, not the Gxx version that is MIA from the North America G01.
The Fxx M wheel is great
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      12-20-2017, 08:20 PM   #29
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why would anyone spend that kind of money on that trash...just buy a used 2015 x5 lol
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      12-20-2017, 08:49 PM   #30
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These comments got me like I'm going to keep reading as they roll in
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      12-20-2017, 09:25 PM   #31
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this just makes me look forward to the G20 all the more!! Because BMW actually DO still make proper BMWs, itís just that this isnít one of them!!

(Iím still waiting to see a positive comment on this one)
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      12-20-2017, 09:41 PM   #32
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I'd say that this car incorporates everything that is gone wrong with BMW in the last years.
Frugly design; aggressive styling that gets irritating after a while, since it does not hold any beauty. Geared towards fast leasing deals (in Germany every second "sold" BMW gets financed by BMW to keep the sales going), flash looks, flash sales and therefore price does not matter, even less value/price ratio.
Long term ownership? Are you, the customer, joking? Be trendy, be hip, be a sugar bee on BMW's finance nectar.
Once BMW was about quality and enthusiasts driving them around for years.

But, the customer base is eroding as is the image. Especially by the FWD BMWs that are really badly made and engineered (from automatic transmissions in the 2 Van that cannot be repaired, maintained and are cheap Asian imports, to solutions where you have to lift the entire engine out of the car to change the belt,...).
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I'd say that this car incorporates everything that is gone wrong with BMW in the last years.
Frugly design; aggressive styling that gets irritating after a while, since it does not hold any beauty. Geared towards fast leasing deals (in Germany every second "sold" BMW gets financed by BMW to keep the sales going), flash looks, flash sales and therefore price does not matter, even less value/price ratio.
Long term ownership? Are you, the customer, joking? Be trendy, be hip, be a sugar bee on BMW's finance nectar.
Once BMW was about quality and enthusiasts driving them around for years.

But, the customer base is eroding as is the image. Especially by the FWD BMWs that are really badly made and engineered (from automatic transmissions in the 2 Van that cannot be repaired, maintained and are cheap Asian imports, to solutions where you have to lift the entire engine out of the car to change the belt,...).
Go buy another brand then buddy.
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      12-20-2017, 09:48 PM   #33
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Go buy another brand then buddy.
He probably will. Which might not register at all on the balance sheet, but should matter on a more philosophical level. Iím not sure they care on that front.
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This vehicle is fine but BMW no longer makes BMWs as you know them, and we just have to deal with that reality.
BMWs as we know them was what differentiated them from the others and made them desirable to me. My E84 X1 has 50/50 weight distribution. Now that the differentiation is going away there is no reason not to look elsewhere. There are lots of front-drive-based, 4wd, smallish SUVs out there. I still love my BMWs but after 15 years and 8 BMWs its no longer a given that my next purchase will be a BMW.

BTW, I do kind of like the look of this X2.

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      12-20-2017, 10:22 PM   #35
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I'd say that this car incorporates everything that is gone wrong with BMW in the last years.
Frugly design; aggressive styling that gets irritating after a while, since it does not hold any beauty. Geared towards fast leasing deals (in Germany every second "sold" BMW gets financed by BMW to keep the sales going), flash looks, flash sales and therefore price does not matter, even less value/price ratio.
Long term ownership? Are you, the customer, joking? Be trendy, be hip, be a sugar bee on BMW's finance nectar.
Once BMW was about quality and enthusiasts driving them around for years.

But, the customer base is eroding as is the image. Especially by the FWD BMWs that are really badly made and engineered (from automatic transmissions in the 2 Van that cannot be repaired, maintained and are cheap Asian imports, to solutions where you have to lift the entire engine out of the car to change the belt,...).
Go buy another brand then buddy.[/quote]


Exactly my thoughts. Does he even own a BMW?
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      12-20-2017, 10:47 PM   #36
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lol BMW sells perfectly fine. The only ones whining are ppl online which matters extremely little.

So yes. Keep whining, it isn't going to change. The world is changing, if you want something to bitch about, go at the government because they are the ones pushing the economy shit on the car makers. No car maker is stupid enough to fall behind because a few whiners online are complaining.

Know your math.
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      12-20-2017, 10:53 PM   #37
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      12-20-2017, 11:03 PM   #38
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5 000 $ more expensive than a X1...for the same size, less cargo, less rear visibility, ugly design...I don't get it
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      12-20-2017, 11:12 PM   #39
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      12-20-2017, 11:37 PM   #40
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This vehicle is fine but BMW no longer makes BMWs as you know them, and we just have to deal with that reality.
BMWs as we know them was what differentiated them from the others and made them desirable to me. My E84 X1 has 50/50 weight distribution. Now that the differentiation is going away there is no reason not to look elsewhere. There are lots of front-drive-based, 4wd, smallish SUVs out there. I still love my BMWs but after 15 years and 8 BMWs its no longer a given that my next purchase will be a BMW.

BTW, I do kind of like the look of this X2.
My same feelings.
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No ZDB? So no blind spot ?????
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      12-21-2017, 12:13 AM   #42
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Bmw = fwd bias = Mini. The x2 will sell for sure but probably not too many to enthusiasts. The x3 m40i is a beauty and would love to have one as a daily; look nice next to a f80.
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BMW's transformation to a consumer friendly brand for the masses is complete! This includes the dilution and proliferation of the once meaningful M brand. Add in the fact this company no longer has any viability, credibility or meaningful presence in the world of racing and I'd call these guys done from the enthusiast perspective. Finished.

P.S. keep putting slush boxes in M cars fellas that's the ticket! Make sure they get bigger and heavier too.
You do know that both the new M5 and F80 M3 are lighter than their predecessors, do you?

Itís a new world buddy. Porsche, Bentley, Rolls Royce, Lamborghini and soon Ferrari had to build freakin SUVs to survive. Things change, and you either change with it or disappear.

Sheesh, are you guys even adults here?
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BMW's transformation to a consumer friendly brand for the masses is complete! This includes the dilution and proliferation of the once meaningful M brand. Add in the fact this company no longer has any viability, credibility or meaningful presence in the world of racing and I'd call these guys done from the enthusiast perspective. Finished.

P.S. keep putting slush boxes in M cars fellas that's the ticket! Make sure they get bigger and heavier too.
You do know that both the new M5 and F80 M3 are lighter than their predecessors, do you?

Itís a new world buddy. Porsche, Bentley, Rolls Royce, Lamborghini and soon Ferrari had to build freakin SUVs to survive. Things change, and you either change with it or disappear.

Sheesh, are you guys even adults here?
You are not accurate. The cars you mentioned are marginally lighter than their predecessors but larger in most dimensions. Larger is not a quality enthusiasts covet.

While some of the brands you mentioned such as Porsche were "saved" by introducing an SUV the others were not saved nor require saving. Ferrari is in fine shape for example. Simply these companies are looking for more revenue and faster growth and realize serving a particular market segment with particular products is the way to achieve this.

All of this said, whatever the motivation of these companies they can serve these mass consumer segments without diluting their core brand and competencies or alienating their enthusiast base. Porsche does this perfectly. They build beautiful sports cars that are the right size, weight, and have the right transmissions while maintaining a large and dominant footprint in motor sports.

Calling out BMW for failing miserably to achieve what Porsche has doesn't make us less "adult" my friend.
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