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Okay so I'm not allowed to ask why BMW is making so many models because I would sound like a "dogmatic fanboy" but I suppose that doesn't stop me from saying that this car looks silly - it's way too similar to the X1 and doesn't even have a sloping roofline so what's the point? At least an X5 and X6 (or X3/X4) look different from the side and back - this looks identical to an X1. It's almost as if they're making new models just for the heck of it. At least put in some effort to differentiate it from the X1 FFS.
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11-06-2015, 03:51 PM | #71 | |
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BMW on the other hand, even if they're competing with each other, BMW can only profit. Before the Gran Coupe, the 3er got 100% of the sales. Now it could be 2:1 and maybe even 1:2 3er to 4er GC. BMW just lost 3er sales, but they just easily made a profit on the same car that had a premium and retained all that profit under the BMW marque. There's almost no loss for BMW doing what they're doing. Every company has their ups and downs, so let's not over exaggerate and blame all these models when BMW has a slow month. What is happening is one of two things: 1. BMW captures customers with these derivative models while retaining their core customer (3, 5, 7er). 2. BMW sees a dip in their core line up but sees in increase in their derivative cars. Both scenarios only benefit BMW. The only people who care are those who see that the 3er lost some sales and think its the end of the world because BMWs bread/butter had a decrease, but in reality, all they did was move over to the 4er Gran Coupe and paid a premium for essentially the same car. |
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11-06-2015, 04:12 PM | #72 |
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You know somebody out there would buy it.
Would look better with a nice mural airbrushed on the side, maybe with some wizards and orcs and stuff.
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Whereas I'd never consider a 328i (nothing against it, it's just not my thing). Speaking only for myself, I don't really see the 4GC and 3er two as equivalent. One is sheer hawtness, and the other is a nice sport sedan that I see pretty much everywhere where I live.
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Market share only increases if the product successfully sells over another [external] competitor. Competing with another product within the same brand doesn't increase market share. The problem with your assumption is that BMW sales figures released to the public do not differentiate between 4er GC and 4er coupe. Thus, a hypothetical sales period that see 3er sales decrease and 4er sales increase cannot be automatically attributed to positive sales of the 4er GC. For all we know in the above scenario, its possible the 4er coupe sold well, the 4er GC barely sold, and the 3er could have very well lost sales to marques other than BMW (i.e., Audi, MB). So in your perfect scenario, BMW's costs are minimal because it assumes buyers will decide between 3er and 4er GC only. But in reality there are other options from other brands, so BMW's costs will simply be exacerbated in a less-than-perfect scenario should a buyer choose a product from a brand other than BMW. In the short-term thus far, it seems to work for BMW's bottom line. I'm just skeptical whether this strategy is sustainable in the long-term.
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But all that could mean what was said, you're right it doesn't increase market share and it doesn't allow growth which is basically what is currently happening with BMW and all that is happening is moving from one model (3er) to another 4er Gran Coupe (assumption). I could be totally wrong but that's just a quick thought. When I'm bored, I might go over the sales data to see if that is the trend. Maybe it is, Maybe it isn't. |
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Looks very Hondaesque.
Now 6 X models and 3 GT models ... We need a convertible, two door SUV. That segment is wide open. |
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Personally I think having more choices in the marketplace is a good thing. It'd be a boring world if our only beverage choices were Coke or Pepsi.
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Yuck.
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http://www.carscoops.com/2015/11/we-...sover.html?m=1
New X2 shape becoming more obvious in these pics. Might not be a bad looker, but like a squashed down version of X1 - bit like the GLA. Doesn't seem to have coupe-like rear profile of X4 and X6. |
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Too bad. A coupe style profile could be nice. This shorter version of the X1 appears to have the proportions of a Subaru. Will have to wait and see how she looks without the swirls, maybe it'll surprise us and look good.
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I'm curious about the M Performance model: *40i engine again will be just great!
Comments about look can't be expressed in a proper way at this stage! If I have to compare 2 niche models: X2 vs CLA, for me it would be an easy choice, X2 being more practical. If we need something sportier BMW offers 3 great alternatives (2 for US): M135i & M235i plus M2 starting from early 2016. M2 CSL will follow for track enthusiasts I guess this is a quite good strategy and I don't see the point of a FWD 1 series sedan! |
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I remember seeing this prototype on the road near Stuttgart not too long ago. I was confused to what it was since it was smaller than the X3 and the X1 had already come out, but this makes sense. looks pretty sleek!
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