[saphirschwarz.f48]

Originally Posted by mrpingu

Lucky you, I just saw mine are lowered aswell but mine is out of warranty… I didn’t know about this when I bought the car(second hand from dec) so don’t know how long it has been that way. Anyway, I don’t feel much vibrations yet so I’ll keep driving a little bit more and then get the tools to do the job myself I think. Just have to get a quote first…

Obviously this is a design fault but it is not listed anywhere So probably end up paying either in cash or in time…

What is it lowered on? Springs, or coilovers? The lowering springs (both the ones from H&R and Eibach) drop the car by about 1.2in/30mm (if you have M-Sport,0.8in/20mm). Those should be fine. If you go for coilovers (KW V1 etc) these drop the car more (about 1.5in/40mm) than that which will cause a little low speed shimmy (there’s a few threads on this on the forum, it’s been a known issue for quite a while). So if your car is on coilovers it might be the coil overs and not engine mounts. If it’s just springs it shouldn’t be causing vibration. Although… just check the engine mounts in any case, it’s a known issue on our cars

Attached here is a thread on the coilover shimmy for your reading pleasure https://f48.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1604373

[mrpingu]

Originally Posted by saphirschwarz.f48

What is it lowered on? Springs, or coilovers? The lowering springs (both the ones from H&R and Eibach) drop the car by about 1.2in/30mm (if you have M-Sport,0.8in/20mm). Those should be fine. If you go for coilovers (KW V1 etc) these drop the car more (about 1.5in/40mm) than that which will cause a little low speed shimmy (there’s a few threads on this on the forum, it’s been a known issue for quite a while). So if your car is on coilovers it might be the coil overs and not engine mounts. If it’s just springs it shouldn’t be causing vibration. Although… just check the engine mounts in any case, it’s a known issue on our cars

Attached here is a thread on the coilover shimmy for your reading pleasure https://f48.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1604373

No I meant my engine mount was lowered, no visibible cracks though.

I won’t lower the vehicle, I drive a a SUV so I can drive some gravel roads without being stressed for damaging something underside

[saphirschwarz.f48]

Originally Posted by mrpingu

No I meant my engine mount was lowered, no visibible cracks though.

I won’t lower the vehicle, I drive a a SUV so I can drive some gravel roads without being stressed for damaging something underside

If dealer quote is too high, maybe try looking at indy specialist shops. Their price would probably be a fair bit cheaper than what dealership wants

[jrveron]

Originally Posted by saphirschwarz.f48

If dealer quote is too high, maybe try looking at indy specialist shops. Their price would probably be a fair bit cheaper than what dealership wants

Parts alone should be around $300-350, but labor will depend on the dealer. I won't expect it to be lower than $700 give it or take.

[mrpingu]

Originally Posted by jrveron

Parts alone should be around $300-350, but labor will depend on the dealer. I won't expect it to be lower than $700 give it or take.

«Parts»? Passenger-side mount is 170 EUR, so how is that double the price in USD, am I overlooking something?

[jrveron]

Originally Posted by mrpingu

«Parts»? Passenger-side mount is 170 EUR, so how is that double the price in USD, am I overlooking something?

Yes, but you have another engine mount below. And on top of that, you need to consider the bolts and/or screws you will need to replace too.

[mrpingu]

Originally Posted by jrveron

Yes, but you have another engine mount below. And on top of that, you need to consider the bolts and/or screws you will need to replace too.

Does one / do I need to replace the other mount together with the top mount? It seems the problems are only with the top mount.

[jrveron]

Originally Posted by mrpingu

Does one / do I need to replace the other mount together with the top mount? It seems the problems are only with the top mount.

Maybe not, but if I were you, I would definitely check it too.

[saphirschwarz.f48]

Originally Posted by mrpingu

Does one / do I need to replace the other mount together with the top mount? It seems the problems are only with the top mount.

If you’re doing it yourself, since you’re gonna be under the car doing it anyways might as well get both done so you won’t be pissed when the one you didn’t do earlier decides to retire. Save yourself some hassle of having to go underneath the car again next time

[mrpingu]

Originally Posted by saphirschwarz.f48

If you’re doing it yourself, since you’re gonna be under the car doing it anyways might as well get both done so you won’t be pissed when the one you didn’t do earlier decides to retire. Save yourself some hassle of having to go underneath the car again next time

I will replace it preventively anyway. That mount costs 'only' around 60 EUR so I am not going to save on that especially since I am already 'under the car'.

Just makes me wondering if there are any better aftermarkets motor mounts that don't have the same problem dont want to replace that thing again after 40k km.


Started making a list of aftermarket parts & manufacturers
Vaico V20-2523
METZGER | 8054221
42464 01 LEMFÖRDER Mounting, engine
Febi Bilstein

[saphirschwarz.f48]

Originally Posted by mrpingu

I will replace it preventively anyway. That mount costs 'only' around 60 EUR so I am not going to save on that especially since I am already 'under the car'.

Just makes me wondering if there are any better aftermarkets motor mounts that don't have the same problem dont want to replace that thing again after 40k km.


Started making a list of aftermarket parts & manufacturers
Vaico V20-2523
METZGER | 8054221
42464 01 LEMFÖRDER Mounting, engine
Febi Bilstein

The ones you posted seem to be based off the old design… try to look for those based off the new design. Although I’m not sure where to find the new part number, realOEM ETK hasn’t been updated since 12/2019…

Here’s a pic that compares the old vs new engine mount design.
https://f48.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...7&postcount=20

[mrpingu]

Originally Posted by saphirschwarz.f48

The ones you posted seem to be based off the old design… try to look for those based off the new design. Although I’m not sure where to find the new part number, realOEM ETK hasn’t been updated since 12/2019…

Here’s a pic that compares the old vs new engine mount design.
https://f48.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...7&postcount=20

Been doing some research on this, the latest mount available for my model and most X1 appears to be
22118835566. This also comes up on my local dealer and most websites as latest part for my car

However: According to this thread on other forum the JCW mounts can also be placed in X1.

The only difference is the aluminium underbody it seems. Attached images from the internet. I think I am going to order this one and considering the PowerFlex Inserts while I am at it. Still undecided if I am going to do it my self or let a indy do it. Asked for a quote at one indy now.

[jrveron]

Originally Posted by saphirschwarz.f48

The ones you posted seem to be based off the old design… try to look for those based off the new design. Although I'm not sure where to find the new part number, realOEM ETK hasn't been updated since 12/2019…

Here's a pic that compares the old vs new engine mount design.
https://f48.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...7&postcount=20

Yes, unfortunately, that's the case with realOEM. But most of the time, when ordering a non-existing or old part number, you will find the new one relatively easy. In my case, I almost always buy my parts directly with BMW, so they inform me if a new component version is available, so the info from realOEM is just for reference.

Considering X1 vs. JCW piece, remember that the B48 on the X1 swings a lot so I would stick with the X1 version.

[mrpingu]

Originally Posted by jrveron

Yes, unfortunately, that's the case with realOEM. But most of the time, when ordering a non-existing or old part number, you will find the new one relatively easy. In my case, I almost always buy my parts directly with BMW, so they inform me if a new component version is available, so the info from realOEM is just for reference.

Considering X1 vs. JCW piece, remember that the B48 on the X1 swings a lot so I would stick with the X1 version.

I just found that this app has newer catalog but it’s paid on iOS; https://www.bimmerrefs.com/

Seems to have 2022 catalog.

Me too, as member of the BMW Car Club in my country I get 15% off ordering directly ar BMW, so then I always get to know the latest number anyway.

I don’t follow your logic there. The JCW has 300+ hp so I would guess that mount is more sturdy because it will be probably be exposed to greater forces because of the output the motor can generate. Or do I totally miss the point here?

Btw i have the wild 4-cyl diesel so B47

[jrveron]

Originally Posted by mrpingu

I just found that this app has newer catalog but it's paid on iOS; https://www.bimmerrefs.com/

Seems to have 2022 catalog.

Me too, as member of the BMW Car Club in my country I get 15% off ordering directly ar BMW, so then I always get to know the latest number anyway.

I don't follow your logic there. The JCW has 300+ hp so I would guess that mount is more sturdy because it will be probably be exposed to greater forces because of the output the motor can generate. Or do I totally miss the point here?

Btw i have the wild 4-cyl diesel so B47

Agreed. The JCW has much more power, but my logic is that the engine on the F48 has more room to swing, so it needs more rubber. However, on the JCW, it needs to be more rigid because there isn't too much space in the engine bay. But of course, I could be wrong.

As a side note, my x1 is close to 280hp, and with the standard x1 engine mounts, I need to replace them every ~20k km.

[mrpingu]

Originally Posted by jrveron

Agreed. The JCW has much more power, but my logic is that the engine on the F48 has more room to swing, so it needs more rubber. However, on the JCW, it needs to be more rigid because there isn't too much space in the engine bay. But of course, I could be wrong.

As a side note, my x1 is close to 280hp, and with the standard x1 engine mounts, I need to replace them every ~20k km.

Yeah it has more room to swing but I don’t think that improves the longevity of the rubber, it also means more movement but stretched out over more length… Either way I don’t think engine movement sideways is ever positive though because that can has impact on steering. Though one in what should be better in terms of durability. Also in terms of performance, stiff mount is better as no kinetic energy is lost in motor movement, although this might not be noticeable in every day driving.
If you look at this video: https://www.northamericanmotoring.com/forums/f55-f56-hatch-talk-2014/339406-f56-cooper-s-upper-engine-mount-replacement-5.html#post4595566 you see most movement is on top part anyway. The lower rubber part don’t seem to absorb that much.



In terms of comfort is full rubber better as that absorbs more vibration. But I am most interested in not replacing them every year together with 2nd oil change I will probably get the PowerFlex inserts to increase the longevity of the mount…

Would be nice to know if the JCW mount holds longer in your situation compared to the full rubber ones Do you replace them yourself or let dealer or other workshop do it?

Just received a quote from a Indy that is not too bad with 300EUR in labour. Parts are another 280 EUR if I replace both mounts. So 580 EUR, not too bad but still opting to do it myself since this won’t be the first time probably…

[jrveron]

Originally Posted by mrpingu

Yeah it has more room to swing but I don’t think that improves the longevity of the rubber, it also means more movement but stretched out over more length… Either way I don’t think engine movement sideways is ever positive though because that can has impact on steering. Though one in what should be better in terms of durability. Also in terms of performance, stiff mount is better as no kinetic energy is lost in motor movement, although this might not be noticeable in every day driving.
If you look at this video: https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...ml#post4595566 you see most movement is on top part anyway. The lower rubber part don’t seem to absorb that much.



In terms of comfort is full rubber better as that absorbs more vibration. But I am most interested in not replacing them every year together with 2nd oil change I will probably get the PowerFlex inserts to increase the longevity of the mount…

Would be nice to know if the JCW mount holds longer in your situation compared to the full rubber ones Do you replace them yourself or let dealer or other workshop do it?

Just received a quote from a Indy that is not too bad with 300EUR in labour. Parts are another 280 EUR if I replace both mounts. So 580 EUR, not too bad but still opting to do it myself since this won’t be the first time probably…

You know, even though I did several things myself (charge pipe, boost pipe, springs, shocks, brakes, oil, etc.), I let the dealer change engine mounts each time. Seems like it always catches me at a bad time.

[saphirschwarz.f48]

Originally Posted by mrpingu

Yeah it has more room to swing but I don’t think that improves the longevity of the rubber, it also means more movement but stretched out over more length… Either way I don’t think engine movement sideways is ever positive though because that can has impact on steering. Though one in what should be better in terms of durability. Also in terms of performance, stiff mount is better as no kinetic energy is lost in motor movement, although this might not be noticeable in every day driving.
If you look at this video: https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...ml#post4595566 you see most movement is on top part anyway. The lower rubber part don’t seem to absorb that much.



In terms of comfort is full rubber better as that absorbs more vibration. But I am most interested in not replacing them every year together with 2nd oil change I will probably get the PowerFlex inserts to increase the longevity of the mount…

Would be nice to know if the JCW mount holds longer in your situation compared to the full rubber ones Do you replace them yourself or let dealer or other workshop do it?

Just received a quote from a Indy that is not too bad with 300EUR in labour. Parts are another 280 EUR if I replace both mounts. So 580 EUR, not too bad but still opting to do it myself since this won’t be the first time probably…

The JCW mounts we’re talking about here… are they also used on the Countryman JCW? I’d imagine Countryman JCW engine would have similar room to move around as X1 as they’re practically the same car underneath, both being compact SUVs based on the same platform and all…

[mrpingu]

Originally Posted by saphirschwarz.f48

The JCW mounts we’re talking about here… are they also used on the Countryman JCW? I’d imagine Countryman JCW engine would have similar room to move around as X1 as they’re practically the same car underneath, both being compact SUVs based on the same platform and all…

Odly enough not, it is at least used in the following vehicles but little difficult to check because the part is quite new and not on realoem…

X2 F39 M35i
X2 F39 25d
1’ F40 M35i
Mini Clubman JCW
JCW GP3

[saphirschwarz.f48]

Originally Posted by mrpingu

Odly enough not, it is at least used in the following vehicles but little difficult to check because the part is quite new and not on realoem…

X2 F39 M35i
X2 F39 25d
1’ F40 M35i
Mini Clubman JCW
JCW GP3

hmmm, it is used on the X2 M35i and X2 25d as well… but not X1 25d? Or maybe that list isnt a comprehensive one… If it works on the F39, I dont see a reason why those mounts shouldn’t work on the F48 without problems

[mrpingu]

Originally Posted by saphirschwarz.f48

hmmm, it is used on the X2 M35i and X2 25d as well… but not X1 25d? Or maybe that list isnt a comprehensive one… If it works on the F39, I dont see a reason why those mounts shouldn’t work on the F48 without problems

It is really weird as the X2 20d/20i has the same mount as F48 again... Only those higher output engines have with lower aluminium part

[jrveron]

For Bertus87,

Here are the primary docs for replacing the transmission mounting. You need to remove the battery and the wheel cover to access it.