12-15-2014, 02:37 AM | #45 |
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I am thinking of buying a x1 for my wife for daily use. It will be used probably for short distance only. Does it matter if its AWD or Haldex? And what difference does it make when it comes to the 'feel' of it?
Isnt Haldex just as good? (FYI, I never drove a countryman before, so I dont know). |
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It will be a bummer if they use a FWD biased system and call it X-Drive, good point. Maybe we'll be surprised when the specs are released, until then being upset about an unknown future makes no sense at all.
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12-15-2014, 11:41 AM | #49 |
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The old X1 looks better because it's as all the DNA of BMW
- Long front bonnet - Rear wheels near to the back end of the car to maximize traction - Front look taken from the 7 Series The bad thing as everbody knows is that the old X1 as a lack of space for the legs in the back seats and a poor trunk space also. But it as such a ride... This one will be less emotinal and more pratique to use i think Fortunately they did not try to do a copy of that thing called Q3... |
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12-15-2014, 01:37 PM | #50 | |
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Given the choice, I'd probably prefer the new X1. I like to have the latest and greatest, and the new one will have the latest technology, presumably including the new iDrive 4.2, which looks much improved from the 4.1 on my car (and the current X1). I've grown to really like the head-up display and top-view camera on my 335, but the current X1 doesn't have these. I also think I'll like the looks of the new X1 better. I'm not that concerned about going from AWD to the Haldax version, since where I live (near Portland, OR) we only get maybe one serious snow event a year if that. On the other hand, there's one huge factor favoring the E84: hydraulic steering. I had an E90 3-series before my F30 3 series, and the F30 is a big improvement in every way except one, the one thing that used to set BMW's apart from all its competitors: BMW steering. There is some appeal to having the last example of a car with true BMW steering. If neither car is going to be available for an ED in September, I'm really not sure what I'll do. |
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12-15-2014, 06:20 PM | #51 |
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That's the rub, Haldex (FWD) systems are essentially FWD the other 364 days of the year.
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12-15-2014, 06:54 PM | #52 | |
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The problem is, when the time to replace will come, I will not go for a FWD with Haldex; and I will in trouble. I am seriously thinking to order now the actual model with M package and keep it until... If not, we will probably keep this one. It is 2 and half years old and has almost 40K. |
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Haldex has many versions, but most are 100% to the front until slip is detected and then they can send a max of 60% to the rear. This is the version MB is using on the CLA and GLA45. So at full slip, they run the static setup of a traditional full time awd setup. VW appears to be the only ones with access to the latest Haldex version which sends an indisclosed (likely a low percentage) of power to the rear and can send "more than 90%" to the rear in slip conditions. Even the latest versions, like on the Mk7 Golf R result in more understeer than a rear wheel derived awd setup. Most owners likely don't care and the packaging efficiencies offered by going to a Haldex setup will benefit the next X1. But enthusiasts will miss the more aggressive setup. |
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12-17-2014, 01:27 PM | #55 |
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For probably the most direct comparison of the two systems, test drive an S3 back to back with an S4 (with the performance diff for maximum unfairness). A3/A4 comparisons will work too.
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03-17-2015, 03:03 PM | #56 | |
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Or... DID THEY!?!?!?
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The Haldex system is kind of like the Heisenberg's uncertainty principle in many ways. As soon as you try to figure out if it's ONLY driving the front wheels by giving it gas, it becomes AWD. Only when the car is coasting, when the momentum of the car is not changing, is the system in FWD. YES the car will understeer like a FWD/AWD car when you give it gas in a corner, but that's only because at that point, the car becomes AWD, not FWD. And most, if not all AWD systems, will understeer in a corner, under power. That is, unless the AWD system manages to disengage it's front clutch to send 100% of the torque to the rear BEFORE understeering. OK, essentially what I'm trying to say is - on a day to day basis, for the average customer, it shouldn't matter if the car is derived from a FWD or RWD chassis. If 364 days out of a year you couldn't tell what wheel-drive a car is, I think the engineers are doing a great job. |
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03-17-2015, 05:05 PM | #58 |
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Of course we have. It's got more than one driven wheel and an N55. Think of it as close as we can get in the US to a 335i wagon with an LSD.
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03-17-2015, 10:07 PM | #60 |
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It is ok for BMW to make FF or SUVs but just what is the point of testing the X1 in Nurburgring? Why is it even relevant?
Just test it at the local parking lot, a typical school run routing or camp site. Make sure it has good ground clearance for typical curbs and rides good.
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03-17-2015, 10:26 PM | #61 |
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I don't think it matters whether this car is front wheel drive with haldex or not,this isn't some tire chewing monster of a car here,we're talking about a bread and butter family hauler here and this is going to make bmw more rich....and I'm sure the bean counters just love cut drive shafts in bits....it's all about money there friends and one day once they have banked enough they will make a car the enthusiasts will put a second-mortgage on there homes for!
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03-18-2015, 12:35 AM | #62 |
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Exterior wise, I think it won't depart too dramatically from the current X1 but the interior will for sure be improved dramatically.
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03-18-2015, 03:02 AM | #63 |
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Wife has a cooper s countryman awd and I have an e90 335xi. Both are fun to drive, and honestly with the low power these cars will most likely have it shouldn't be an issue.
I can "hoon" the Xi much easier, and it will power on oversteer after which I can feel the front engaging to give traction, but the rear is always engaged (yes 100% of the time, the variable is only in how much the computer engages the clutch for the front shaft, it's not 100% variable like bmw claims in marketing) In the cooper I can do a mini (heh) doughnut in the snow with heavy throttle, it never feels fwd but also never rwd since the front it always on. If it turned out to be as engaging as the mini to drive I hardly think that would be horrible. |
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What about now? Obviously it could be done, but the design team didn't care... Let the mediocre go and step up to the level of the badge! |
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