[dizz81]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

Eh, I have roads near me in Virginia (and a bunch in West Virginia) that are much better than most tracks I've seen. They are much harder to drive on with varied pavement conditions and changing wetness and temperature conditions (most run through the forests I live in), all which require attention and reaction to grip levels as you first drive on them. Then throw in the threat of wildlife obstacles, and how well a car handles becomes obviously apparent.

Sounds fun and exciting lol.

[strohw]

Originally Posted by dizz81

Maybe BMW M cars have just fallen that far off that Kia now competes with them.

I think you may be romanticizing M cars a bit from a performance stand point. Their out of the box lap times aren't that special for their price points. And until recently, Kia hasn't tried to make something that competes in that type of use. So, there really wasn't any evidence on whether they could or could not make that product.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by dizz81

Sounds fun and exciting lol.

Yup.

[Donatello.]

Originally Posted by LOW4LYF

It will be faster 90% of the use most of us have.
Electric cars getting better and better, and this one is a great example for a huge step in the right direction.

But still never the soul or personality as a gasoline powered car. No fun exhaust notes etc. I;m still not interested.

I am not saying they do not have their place...

[lens]

EVs are the future. But not in the near future.

Hybrid is where its at.


Full EV would be in 2050-2060.

[BlkGS]

BEVs aren't the future. fuel Cell EVs, sure. But there's a lot of technology that needs to be refined between now and then. Fusion power for starters (though admittedly, we could probably make it work with a shitload of fission plants but people are too stupid to support those).